Social workers sacked Page 4

Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 10:20 AM GMT

Interesting addendum to this case.

http://www.24dash.com/news/Communities/2008-11-27-Baby-P-may-have-become-feral-yob-Barnardos-chief

View original

To be fair, 90% of children will grow up like that.

Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 11:05 AM GMT

Poor people are piss poor parents and the sooner they're sterilised - or put against a wall and shot - the better for society.

View original

Quote: Griff @ November 27 2008, 11:32 AM GMT

View original

<3

Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 11:33 AM GMT

I'd rather have a politician or banker living next door to me than a family of chav scum.

View original

Ditto!

Quote: Aaron @ November 27 2008, 11:40 AM GMT

Ditto!

View original

Am I the only person who does actually have people like this as neighbours?

I've also noticed that these sort of people tend not to be the ones - in my experience - that offer you seats on the tube, help carrying buggies up or down stairs, stop to let you cross the road. In my experience I've found young black and Asian males and white van men types have been the most helpful in those ways - not Mr or Mrs Middle-Class in a suit.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:33 AM GMT

I don't believe povery is a symptom of being thick, lazy or an unpleasant person. There's plenty of wealthy people who also have these attributes. Some people may be decent and hardworking but they are never going to get out of poverty.

View original

That's very interesting, Dolly. I'm sure that there are intelligent, hardworking people who are in poverty. I wonder why they don't/can't escape from it? What do you think?

Quote: Bad dog @ November 27 2008, 11:45 AM GMT

That's very interesting, Dolly. I'm sure that there are intelligent, hardworking people who are in poverty. I wonder why they don't/can't escape from it? What do you think?

View original

Often because the job and life opportunites open to them are not the ones that pay particularly well. They may also end up in professions that involve hard manual work or trades and occupations that are physically very exhausting and/or with health implications.

They may also have to give up work and education opportunites to care for children or elderly relatives. Or they often don't have the confidence to achieve as much; public schools instill an arrogance in their pupils to believe that the world revolves around them and they can do anything they want.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:45 AM GMT

Am I the only person who does actually have people like this as neighbours?

View original

No.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:45 AM GMT

I've also noticed that these sort of people tend not to be the ones - in my experience - that offer you seats on the tube, help carrying buggies up or down stairs, stop to let you cross the road. In my experience I've found young black and Asian males and white van men types have been the most helpful in those ways - not Mr or Mrs Middle-Class in a suit.

View original

Total opposite in my experience, but heyho.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:49 AM GMT

public schools instill an arrogance in their pupils to believe that the world revolves around them and they can do anything they want.

View original

You're getting "confidence" confused with "arrogance".

Quote: Aaron @ November 27 2008, 11:50 AM GMT

No.

Total opposite in my experience, but heyho.

View original

You let people give up their seats for you on the tube? You carrying a buggy around?

Quote: Aaron @ November 27 2008, 11:51 AM GMT

No.

Total opposite in my experience, but heyho.

You're getting "confidence" confused with "arrogance".

View original

No I meant arrogance. I don't wish to say how, but I have very close links with public schools and have seen it first hand.

Quote: Griff @ November 27 2008, 11:53 AM GMT

it's both compulsive and depressing.

View original

Sounds like one of my sitcom scripts.

I spent a couple of years researching and studying the background of my family and it was a real eye-opener.

My grandfather, coming from a Catholic Irish family, suffered discrimination living in Scotland. He then went off to the first world war where he was never going to be an officer. Instead he was captured in Turkey (he was about 18), held prisoner and tortured. He came back a different person. He ended up painting the Forth Bridge. It would take 4 years to finish and then would have to be painted all over again. Not only was the job physically dangerous but the lead in the paint he used eventually killed him in his early 40s. He then left a widow with three children and no welfare state.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:49 AM GMT

public schools instill an arrogance in their pupils to believe that the world revolves around them and they can do anything they want.

View original

I went to public school.

Interesting. But I still think if Baby P is going to die, it's because of the parents, not poverty. Poverty is merely another visible representation of the parents' mentality.

I also noticed that my ancestors who worked in rural occupations; as crofters, farmers, etc lived much, much longer than their descendents who, due to land clearance by the English, the Irish potato famine and industrialisation moved into the cities.

Quote: Gavin @ November 27 2008, 11:59 AM GMT

I went to public school.

View original

Was it one of the 'top' ones? Do you agree?

Quote: Aaron @ November 27 2008, 11:51 AM GMT

Total opposite in my experience, but heyho.

View original

Maybe the 'chav scum' are like dogs and can sense your fear and dislike of them and respond accordingly.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:53 AM GMT

You let people give up their seats for you on the tube? You carrying a buggy around?

View original

No, I prefer to stand.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 12:04 PM GMT

Maybe the 'chav scum' are like dogs and can sense your fear and dislike of them and respond accordingly.

View original

Didn't you already make some highly witty response to that line?

Well, aside from the "witty" part, obviously.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 12:04 PM GMT

'chav scum' are like dogs

View original

I'm glad you're coming round to our way of thinking, Dolly.

Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 12:08 PM GMT

I'm glad you're coming round to our way of thinking, Dolly.

View original