Quote: chipolata @ November 24 2008, 2:29 PM GMTI remember Charlie Brooker saying on Screenwipe how surprisingly good Entertainment USA was.
It was ace and his radio show was good.
Social workers sacked Page 3
If all that paedo stuff hadn't happened, King would be a mainstay on shows like Strictly Come Dancing and I'm A Celebrity. He'd have made an excellent X-Factor judge.
Quote: Griff @ November 24 2008, 2:35 PM GMTI don't know. Maybe I should write to Viz for clarification.
If you could.
Interesting addendum to this case.
http://www.24dash.com/news/Communities/2008-11-27-Baby-P-may-have-become-feral-yob-Barnardos-chief
Quote: chipolata @ November 24 2008, 2:34 PM GMTAre there any islands the RAF use for bombing practice?
Not since the Argentines cleared out the Falklands.
Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 10:20 AM GMTInteresting addendum to this case.
http://www.24dash.com/news/Communities/2008-11-27-Baby-P-may-have-become-feral-yob-Barnardos-chief
It's the usual self-serving rubbish from the Bernados man. Baby P might have become a feral yob not because of poverty, but because of bad parents, with no standards and no clue as to how to bring up the child.
Quote: Bad dog @ November 27 2008, 10:38 AM GMTIt's the usual self-serving rubbish from the Bernados man. Baby P might have become a feral yob not because of poverty, but because of bad parents, with no standards and no clue as to how to bring up the child.
Whilst I agree that emotional deprivation and neglect during the early years are often the root cause of anti-social behaviour in teenagers and adults (as well as emotional, relationship and mental health issues IMO), poverty is also a factor. Middle and upper class children tend not to get into trouble with the police, etc as much. Lack of education and decent aspirations mean that the circles of abuse tend to continue in more marked anti-social way in poor familes.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:02 AM GMTWhilst I agree that emotional deprivation and neglect during the early years are often the root cause of anti-social behaviour in teenagers and adults (as well as emotional, relationship and mental health issues IMO), poverty is also a factor. Middle and upper class children tend not to get into trouble with the police, etc as much. Lack of education and decent aspirations mean that the circles of abuse tend to continue in more marked anti-social way in poor familes.
Poor people are piss poor parents and the sooner they're sterilised - or put against a wall and shot - the better for society.
Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 11:05 AM GMTPoor people are piss poor parents and the sooner they're sterilised - or put against a wall and shot - the better for society.
Yes of course. Unlike middle and upper class parents who rarely see their children and leave their welfare in the hands of nannies. Usually nannies from working class backgrounds or foreign nannies from poor countries. Mmmm. Yes it all makes sense.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:09 AM GMTYes of course. Unlike middle and upper class parents who rarely see their children and leave their welfare in the hands of nannies. Usually nannies from working class backgrounds or foreign nannies from poor countries. Mmmm. Yes it all makes sense.
The truth is, middle-class and upper-class kids don't do as much damage to society as kids from the underclass. Fact.
I don't think poverty is the cause of cases like that of baby P. I think poverty is a symptom of the mentality of the parents, of low intelligence, poor educational achievement, low moral standards etc, which are the cause of child abuse problems. Poverty is something to be found in these cases, not the cause, but something running parallel to the child abuse.
Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 11:19 AM GMTThe truth is, middle-class and upper-class kids don't do as much damage to society as kids from the underclass. Fact.
Maybe because there's not as many of them? Maybe because they can afford better legal representation? Maybe because they are at least aware of their parents' desire to appear repectable? Maybe their schools cover it up? I know of many wealthy and middle class youngters involved in drugs, shop-lifting, drink driving, yobbish behaviour or just plain bad mannered etc.
And look at most politicians and the damage they sometimes do. And financiers and bankers. What sort of backgrounds do most of them come from? 
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 27 2008, 11:32 AM GMTAnd look at most politicians and the damage they sometimes do. And financiers and bankers. What sort of backgrounds do most of them come from?
I'd rather have a politician or banker living next door to me than a family of chav scum.
Quote: Bad dog @ November 27 2008, 11:19 AM GMTI don't think poverty is the cause of cases like that of baby P. I think poverty is a symptom of the mentality of the parents, of low intelligence, poor educational achievement, low moral standards etc, which are the cause of child abuse problems. Poverty is something to be found in these cases, not the cause, but something running parallel to the child abuse.
I don't believe povery is a symptom of being thick, lazy or an unpleasant person. There's plenty of wealthy people who also have these attributes. Some people may be decent and hardworking but they are never going to get out of poverty.
Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 11:05 AM GMTPoor people are piss poor parents and the sooner they're sterilised - or put against a wall and shot - the better for society.
I almost believe you actually mean that. 
Quote: chipolata @ November 27 2008, 11:33 AM GMTI'd rather have a politician or banker living next door to me than a family of chav scum.
Funnily enough I have both sorts of people as neighbours, the wealthier ones living closest. I haven't noticed much difference apart from their clothing. Some of the wealthy people in my neighbourhood have been known to have noisy parties, leave their dog mess, make rude comments, let their dogs bark incessantly, shout at their children in public, have badly behaved and rude children.