Afinkawan, it's largely relative. I've heard numerous comments over the past few weeks suggesting that their left is largely in line with our centre-right.
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That's basically what I was saying.
Quote: sootyj @ November 11 2008, 9:37 AM GMTMy word Matt your a genuine liberal bigot.
That's surprisingly rare.
Indeed it's true. I'm VERY far to the left. And I'm not open-minded about it. 
Really? We hadn't noticed.
Reality begins to set in. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:
WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama is unlikely to radically overhaul controversial Bush administration intelligence policies, advisers say, an approach that is almost certain to create tension within the Democratic Party.
Civil-liberties groups were among those outraged that the White House sanctioned the use of harsh intelligence techniques -- which some consider torture -- by the Central Intelligence Agency, and expanded domestic spy powers. These groups are demanding quick action to reverse these policies.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122636726473415991.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Quote: matt insley @ November 11 2008, 5:39 PM GMTIndeed it's true. I'm VERY far to the left. And I'm not open-minded about it.
Then you should be! Learn to become more open minded!
Quote: matt insley @ November 10 2008, 2:06 PM GMTTo the person who seems to have some kind of unidentified issues about gay adoption: get over it, dude.
Should I learn to be open-minded about it? 
Yeah. Give Nazis a chance, bless 'em!
My dad was some Nazi's.
Quote: DaButt @ November 12 2008, 12:01 AM GMTReality begins to set in. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:
WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama is unlikely to radically overhaul controversial Bush administration intelligence policies, advisers say, an approach that is almost certain to create tension within the Democratic Party.
Civil-liberties groups were among those outraged that the White House sanctioned the use of harsh intelligence techniques -- which some consider torture -- by the Central Intelligence Agency, and expanded domestic spy powers. These groups are demanding quick action to reverse these policies.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122636726473415991.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
The harsh truth is that having a 'black man' as President isn't going to make any real difference. Why should it? He's just some guy and a politician at that! We won't get fooled again! Won't we?
There was a black sheriff in Blazing Saddles not that that's relevant although the townsfolk thought he was hung and he said he was.
Quote: DaButt @ November 12 2008, 12:01 AM GMTReality begins to set in. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:
WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama is unlikely to radically overhaul controversial Bush administration intelligence policies, advisers say, an approach that is almost certain to create tension within the Democratic Party.
Civil-liberties groups were among those outraged that the White House sanctioned the use of harsh intelligence techniques -- which some consider torture -- by the Central Intelligence Agency, and expanded domestic spy powers. These groups are demanding quick action to reverse these policies.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122636726473415991.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
I think it shows a lot of common sense.
If he dismantled the war of error in his first week, it would look weak and like capitulation.
I'm glad he has the maturity, to I hope dismantle it in stages over time.
Clinton got stuck with Somalia for months, and this is way bigger.
Infact Ws dismantling of so much of the CIAs Mid East operation early in his first term, is strongly linked to Al Quaeda's explosion in size.
But it's understandable he wouldn't have wanted them looking into Sadam pumping oil over land to Turkey and Jordan.
Oil agree with that.
It's kind of satisfying to hear Ralph Nader complaining about Obama already. As I've said before, I don't expect a whole lot of "change."
Changing With Retreads
The Third Clinton Administration
By RALPH NADER
While the liberal intelligentsia was swooning over Barack Obama during his presidential campaign, I counseled "prepare to be disappointed." His record as a Illinois state and U.S. Senator, together with the many progressive and long overdue courses of action he opposed during his campaign, rendered such a prediction unfortunate but obvious.
Now this same intelligentsia is beginning to howl over Obama's transition team and early choices to run his Administration. Having defeated Senator Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Primaries, he now is busily installing Bill Clinton's old guard. Thirty one out of forty seven people that he has named so far for transition or appointments have ties to the Clinton Administration, according to Politico. One Clintonite is quoted in the Washington Post as saying – "This isn't lightly flavored with Clintons. This is all Clintons, all the time."
Obama's "foreign policy team is now dominated by the Hawkish, old-guard Democrats of the 1990," writes Jeremy Scahill. Obama's transition team reviewing intelligence agencies and recommending appointments is headed by John Brennan and Jami Miscik, who worked under George Tenet when the CIA was involved in politicizing intelligence for, among other officials, Secretary of State Colin Powell's erroneous address before the United Nations calling for war against Iraq.
Mr. Brennan, as a government official, supported warrantless wiretapping and extraordinary rendition to torturing countries. National Public Radio reported that Obama's reversal when he voted for the revised FISA this year relied on John Brennan's advise.
I don't have the foggiest who Ralph Nader is, but I certainly agree that it is somewhat satisfying.
Quote: Aaron @ November 23 2008, 12:05 AM GMTI don't have the foggiest who Ralph Nader is, but I certainly agree that it is somewhat satisfying.
Perennial presidential candidate, consumer advocate and all-around hardcore Lefty favorite.