Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 19 2008, 2:57 PM GMTAnd anyway re the Huntley joke; the plant holly doesn't have a scent. Therefore the joke is crap. I've won!
If you go into jokes to that extent, then most would be "crap". You lose!
The ultimate taboo? Page 12
What is this disabled person in the cinema thing?
The most annoying thing in the cinema for me is people shouting encouragment at the actors.
But that only seemed to happen in Peckham.
I can't believe anyone can justify or attempt to justify any way at all that a Baby P gag is morally acceptable. There's just no good enough argument to back it up.
If we saw a little kid in the street trip over and badly hurt himself we'd be the first to assist. We wouldn't point and laugh.
Unless you're a c**t of course.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 19 2008, 3:07 PM GMTDo you know what, I can laugh about general jokes about serious and heavy subjects that have effected me personally but if I was the parent of the child which is the subject of the joke under discussion, I would personally want to rip the head off the person who created that joke and those who found it funny. Maybe that would be funny?
Sounds hilarious to me.
Quote: Aaron @ November 19 2008, 3:15 PM GMTIf you go into jokes to that extent, then most would be "crap". You lose!
Well, no. They have to have some sense behind them.
Standing up in front of a room of people telling jokes you've written, taking the flak on whether they laugh, stay silent or boo, wondering if they'll like you, be scared of you, think you're horrible or a bit cheeky, makes you think about these things...
Quote: sootyj @ November 19 2008, 3:14 PM GMTAnd I've done quite nicely of late selling the cleanest most inoffensive gags I ever wrote.
In which case you are back to your very first post...you said the actual death was too shocking but the issues around care works and the media were ripe for satire. Sounds fine, carry on as you are. What are you looking to achieve by pushing things further when your own opinion and the sale of your clean stuff suggests it would be contrary to your own beliefs and your commercial success?
I'd more take the view of is banning such a gag morally acceptable?
And where as I would see a gag about Baby P his self as being dubious.
A joke about the moral panic and problems in social services.
I'd welcome that.
Quote: Lee Henman @ November 19 2008, 3:08 PM GMTI think it has everything to do with it. The "comedy should have no boundaries" argument is hollow unless the person espousing it can back it up by saying they would laugh, even if the subject of the sick joke was themselves or a loved one.
Well that's ultimately the old thing about "I might not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I'd almost certainly not laugh at a joke that was specifically about a family memeber, for example, but I would feel extremely uncomfortable with the notion that it shouldn't be said. Censorship is more abhorrent than insult.
Quote: Lee Henman @ November 19 2008, 3:17 PM GMTI can't believe anyone can justify or attempt to justify any way at all that a Baby P gag is morally acceptable. There's just no good enough argument to back it up.
If we saw a little kid in the street trip over and badly hurt himself we'd be the first to assist. We wouldn't point and laugh.
Unless you're a c**t of course.
Depending how comical their fall, I'd probably laugh. But i would also help. Maybe i'm just a helpful c**t
Quote: Pete @ November 19 2008, 3:11 PM GMTschool girls making paedophiles cocks stinky
That wasn't even a joke and I still laughed.
Quote: Pete @ November 19 2008, 3:19 PM GMTIn which case you are back to your very first post...you said the actual death was too shocking but the issues around care works and the media were ripe for satire. Sounds fine, carry on as you are. What are you looking to achieve by pushing things further when your own opinion and the sale of your clean stuff suggests it would be contrary to your own beliefs and your commercial success?
More a generic fear of censorship.
I suppose I look at this through the lense of the Andrew Sachs affair.
A silly remark leading to a massive witch hunt.
I found with Maddy stuff, no matter how much one focused on the media or the police.
It always came back to how can you even joke in that area?
Quote: sootyj @ November 19 2008, 3:17 PM GMTWhat is this disabled person in the cinema thing?
I saw a movie with a wailing disabled person (they were in the audience, not on screen) I said they should be left at home with a video, others thought they should integrated into ALL aspects of life, even if it screws with my flick. Has no bearing on this discussion.
Quote: Aaron @ November 19 2008, 3:22 PM GMTThat wasn't even a joke and I still laughed.
I'm sorry I could just picture John Craven reading that on News round.
Quote: Pete @ November 19 2008, 3:15 PM GMTNo, because it's not funny.
What a ludicrous statement. You can't judge if something is funny before there even IS anything. A basic scenario has been highlighted. No joke or routine written.
Quote: Pete @ November 19 2008, 3:23 PM GMTI saw a movie with a wailing disabled person (they were in the audience, not on screen) I said they should be left at home with a video, others thought they should integrated into ALL aspects of life.
Hasn't that same argument been levelled at you on these very forums Pete?