And still is.
I was thinking about it from the point of illustrating what a suddenly more invasive social services would be like.
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Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 19 2008, 12:59 PM GMTGive it a few more years and you probably won't find that funny.
I highly doubt that.
The Holly joke was well strucutred and had surprise mixed in with shock factor.
It may be in poor taste, but it is a well written joke.
One should never confuse censorship with aritistic critique.
Quote: sootyj @ November 19 2008, 1:29 PM GMTThe Holly joke was well strucutred and had surprise mixed in with shock factor.
It may be in poor taste, but it is a well written joke.
One should never confuse censorship with aritistic critique.
But this was a real child who met with an early and violent death. Even if the joke was written in the most beautiful caligraphy, meeting every criteria of prefect comedy writing, it's still not funny because the subject is too sad and it's too mean spirited in tone. It's like letting a man off a rape and calling it an act of love instead, because he 'performed' well!
Think of that child. Think of what happened to her.Tthink of her parents. Now tell me you still find that joke funny. The joke about the fact that she was might have been seriously sexually abused before being killed.
The Holly joke doesn't even work as a joke because none of Brady's victims were called Holly.
EDIT: I just looked and saw it was Huntley in the original joke. So I guess it does work.
It's the old Birth of a Nation challenge.
Birth of a Nation is one of the most important films ever made in terms of technique plotting etc.
It's also about how the heroic KKK save America from evil Black people (played by white guys in boot polish).
Should this film be studied in film schools?
And yes I still think the joke is funny, morally repelant maybe?
Referring simply to the joke in question, I don't think it's funny. It's a crap joke but more importantly it has a real innocent person as the butt of it. Not a politican or a criminal or a royal, or even an adult. And that's nasty in a quite an evil and twisted way. It reminds me of bullies mocking and jeering their victim in the playground. There are always other kids that would stand round and laugh. Maybe it's relief that it's not happening to them? Maybe that's what this joke is 'about'.
Thinking about, I'm quite worried that intelligent people can find it funny. Having that level of detachement towards the feelings of others is quite disturbing, is it not?
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 19 2008, 1:48 PM GMTHaving that level of detachement towards the feelings of others is quite disturbing, is it not?
You do realise your talking to a bunch of people who spend a great deal of their time chatting incognito to virtual strangers rather than real people face to face don't you! 
And yeah, that was a rubbish joke and a nasty one.
I loath individualisation.
Holocaust jokes make their merry rounds around these forumns frequently. Your mocking millions of people who lost family in the most horrid cirucmstances, but because you don't mention a name.
Hey that's ok.
If you say a joke is tasteless and shouldn't be told that's one thing.
If you say because it's tasteless it's not funny that's a really insidious view straight out of 1984.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ November 19 2008, 1:48 PM GMTReferring simply to the joke in question, I don't think it's funny. It's a crap joke but more importantly it has a real innocent person as the butt of it. Not a politican or a criminal or a royal, or even an adult. And that's nasty in a quite an evil and twisted way. It reminds me of bullies mocking and jeering their victim in the playground. There are always other kids that would stand round and laugh. Maybe it's relief that it's not happening to them? Maybe that's what this joke is 'about'.
Thinking about, I'm quite worried that intelligent people can find it funny. Having that level of detachement towards the feelings of others is quite disturbing, is it not?
The joke is no great shakes, the question comes in where it should be told. Amongst friends down the pub, fine. In a school yard, fine. But something of that ilk should never be allowed on television or radio, or told as part of a stand up set in front of an audience.
Dolly, different people find different things funny. They also deal with sadness/shock differently. This does not make them deranged or sick. It just means they have a different sense of humour to you.
Jeez Griff why don't you dig up Seefact's corpse and kick it.
Also Aaron found it funny.
Quote: sootyj @ November 19 2008, 1:52 PM GMTI loath individualisation.
Holocaust jokes make their merry rounds around these forumns frequently. Your mocking millions of people who lost family in the most horrid cirucmstances, but because you don't mention a name.
Hey that's ok.
If you say a joke is tasteless and shouldn't be told that's one thing.
If you say because it's tasteless it's not funny that's a really insidious view straight out of 1984.
I really think a specific joke about a specific act on a specific, and named, young girl is worse than jokes about an event that happened to millions. I just do. Both can be seen as moraly shaky, but surely the gag about the murdered girl is worse? Come on Sooty now.
Aaron also finds Coming of Age funny.
Quote: sootyj @ November 19 2008, 1:53 PM GMTAlso Aaron found it funny.
You're really not helping yourself with that defence! 