Quote: matt insley @ November 10 2008, 9:47 PM GMTI mean, believe in God is just a bit silly.
So is the belief that one man can really 'change' quite so much. 
But anyway.
It's only silly to those who don't believe. Just like comedy, it's an entirely personal, subjective thing.
Now someone say something. I'm agreeing with sooty and it makes me feel all wrong inside. 
Communism on Paper is a good idea.
It's just reality that is the problem.
Believing in Communism is believing in a belief system with a 100% rate of failure.
And yes I'm including Cuba; lots of Drs doesn't make up for hunger, concentration camps and the most insane pissing contest ever.
The idea of an equal society without a class system sounds good to me.
However I know it will never work which is a shame.
Social democracy can work.
You can have voting, capitalism and welfare in the same package.
Quote: Spagett @ November 10 2008, 10:41 PM GMTThe idea of an equal society without a class system sounds good to me.
*shudder*
Quote: sootyj @ November 10 2008, 10:39 PM GMTBelieving in Communism is believing in a belief system with a 100% rate of failure.
And yes I'm including Cuba; lots of Drs doesn't make up for hunger, concentration camps and the most insane pissing contest ever.
Christopher Hitchens - whether you like him or not - had a good quote, along the lines of so what if Cuba has the highest literacy rate in the world: the people shouldn't then have to be told what they're allowed to read
Good for Hitchens.
Quote: Aaron @ November 10 2008, 10:52 PM GMT*shudder*
You are like a sketch show character.
We all are.
Quote: matt insley @ November 9 2008, 10:08 PM GMTThe election has reflected that, for once, liberals are in the majority!
As a homosexual, I was completely gutted by the propositions that passed banning gay marriage.
I think your second sentence contradicts your first. Americans are split right down the middle and there is no clear majority of liberals or conservatives. If anything, people are in the "throw 'em all out of office" mood.
Quote: matt insley @ November 10 2008, 2:06 PM GMTYou will however see that an overwhelming percentage of white people vote Democratic. More than in previous elections.
Not true. White Americans voted 55% to 43% for McCain over Obama.
I read a fascinating piece in the Guardian today, may post it.
Aparently the reason Palin was so loved as govenor of Alaska was she was bipartisan. Very much a people not party politician.
Strongly hinted her swing to the right was following party orders.
Made her seem quite sympathetic.
Quote: DaButt @ November 11 2008, 12:46 AM GMTI think your second sentence contradicts your first. Americans are split right down the middle and there is no clear majority of liberals or conservatives. If anything, people are in the "throw 'em all out of office" mood.
Not true. White Americans voted 55% to 43% for McCain over Obama.
You missed the point ENTIRELY. Sometimes playing devil's advocate, which you seem to be doing, just doesn't pan out for ya! 
The point about the percentage of white people voting for Obama wasn't that more white people voted for Obama than McCain. It was that more white people voted Democrat in this election than in previous elections. The same percentage of African-Americans voted Democrat in this election than in previous elections. I didn't think the point I made the first time about these statistics was misleading but there they are explained again nonetheless.
Now to address your first sentence which addresses my first sentence: I think you're dead wrong. I think Liberals have always outnumbered conservatives in America. The sad fact is that conservatives vote like there's no tomorrow whereas liberals really tend to stay so disenfranchised about their system that they feel as though they can't make a change. Well, the times they are a-changin', as they say, and the left-leaning vote is claiming the country.
I've read your previous posts and I'd imagine you're not happy with it.
Quote: sootyj @ November 11 2008, 1:23 AM GMTI read a fascinating piece in the Guardian today, may post it.
Aparently the reason Palin was so loved as govenor of Alaska was she was bipartisan. Very much a people not party politician.
Strongly hinted her swing to the right was following party orders.
Made her seem quite sympathetic.
It's all relative. Alaska is a super right-leaning state. Even their democrats are mostly fiscal conservatives and social liberals. As governor, she really didn't have to bend too far to get people to work together. Liberals in Alaska are like snowstorms in Key West. They just don't happen. Haha
Well, unless you're Jewel and even in that case you'd rather live in your car than in Alaska.
My word Matt your a genuine liberal bigot.
That's surprisingly rare.
Is there much of a left-leaning vote in America? They all seem to be either far right or centre-right.
Someone who I can't remember put it much better than me:
"Most of America couldn't see the left with the Hubble telescope."