And sinister it was pushed through by a 10 million campaign by Mormon churches.
Sad really who cares about that kind of thing anymore.
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Quote: sootyj @ November 9 2008, 10:20 PM GMTAnd sinister it was pushed through by a 10 million campaign by Mormon churches.
Sad really who cares about that kind of thing anymore.
It just how it works when Christianity still has a stranglehold on the country. So many religious zealots feel the need to impede on other people's lives.
There's some great movements over here in the states to combat the Christian initiative. I'm thinking of starting one called "I'll get off of my high horse when you come down from your cross!" 
Quote: matt insley @ November 9 2008, 10:19 PM GMTOops.. I quoted the wrong person. Haha
I was about to say...! I'm about the least sitcom snob-ish person around here!
Quote: matt insley @ November 9 2008, 10:23 PM GMTIt just how it works when Christianity still has a stranglehold on the country. So many religious zealots feel the need to impede on other people's lives.
There's some great movements over here in the states to combat the Christian initiative. I'm thinking of starting one called "I'll get off of my high horse when you come down from your cross!"
Interesting documentary in UK that this was all Jimmy Carter's fault.
Constantly banging on about being born again.
Quote: sootyj @ November 9 2008, 10:26 PM GMTInteresting documentary in UK that this was all Jimmy Carter's fault.
Constantly banging on about being born again.
Unfortunately most Americans have no knowledge about the history of their own country. So many actually believe that such monikers as "In God We Trust" and "Under God" have been around since the birth of the nation. In reality they've only been around since the 1950s!
Quote: matt insley @ November 9 2008, 10:08 PM GMTHey folks. I've been lurking on the board for years now and I've finally broken down and made a forum account after reading what my fellow American has added to this particular thread.
Please be aware that this attitude is not typical of Americans anymore. The election has reflected that, for once, liberals are in the majority! Obama will be a president that will make a change for our country and conservatives are still doing what they do best; insulting the other party while offering no clear plan as to heal our country.
The media has reported today that the first plans of Obama will be to issue and executive order lifting any bans on Stem Cell research! This is wonderful news. Also knowing he will have the privilege of being able to appoint 2 supreme court justices is a wonderful thing. This means a woman's right to choose is protected for a much longer time.As a homosexual, I was completely gutted by the propositions that passed banning gay marriage. I simply don't think the American electorate should be allowed to ever vote on an issue that isn't affecting the nation. Abortion and marriage should always remain off of any ballot as they are issues that only affect the lives of those involved.
Seeing Obama elected president gave me optimism even though it was a bad day for gay rights (which, rather you think so or not, is another day when not everyone in America has equal rights). It has taught me that things do come to those who wait. To African-Americans this was the metaphorical end to the Civil War. This shows me that it's only a matter of time before I have equal rights in my country.*pulls soap box down and walks away*
Good post.
Welcome to the forum, matt insley. 
Quote: matt insley @ November 9 2008, 10:08 PM GMTAs a homosexual, I was completely gutted by the propositions that passed banning gay marriage. I simply don't think the American electorate should be allowed to ever vote on an issue that isn't affecting the nation. Abortion and marriage should always remain off of any ballot as they are issues that only affect the lives of those involved.
Seeing Obama elected president gave me optimism even though it was a bad day for gay rights (which, rather you think so or not, is another day when not everyone in America has equal rights). It has taught me that things do come to those who wait. To African-Americans this was the metaphorical end to the Civil War. This shows me that it's only a matter of time before I have equal rights in my country.
Ironically, wasn't it the big African-American turnout that helped get Obama elected the same constituents who got gay marriage banned? Although I agree issues like Abortion and Marriage should stay off the ballot.
Welcome Matt. I have no problem with gay marriage Matt but I am uncertain about gay adoption. I'm not against it per se but just unsure. I keep thinking if gay adoption is OK, why am I unsure? You see, those two gay men seem nice enough, but I think I'm a bit old at 48!
I keep telling you I'm not gay.
Me and Paul Gadd just think you need a good home.
I totally agree with you on the gay marriage thing Matt. Surely if God hated it that much, He would have mentioned it in the bible a bit more? The Religious right in America at the moment seem to spend all their time worrying about who's sticking bits of their body in who else and whether or not evolution is real to worry about the things actually mentioned by Jesus, such as looking after the poor and needy and so on.
If you don't like the idea of gay marriage, just don't marry a gay. Is that a bit too simplistic?
Thing is the bits about charity, justice and tolerance are way more emphasised.
Oh and that whole thing about camels, needles, rich men and heaven.
Religion should stay off the ballot paper and out of politics full stop. The two are not compatible.
When Americans learn that, the world will be a better place.
Or at very least America.
There are some things I truly love about this country.
And one of them is every time a politician goes for God, they're made to look a dick.
Quote: chipolata @ November 10 2008, 11:09 AM GMTIronically, wasn't it the big African-American turnout that helped get Obama elected the same constituents who got gay marriage banned? Although I agree issues like Abortion and Marriage should stay off the ballot.
Well, I can answer your question in on simple answer: No.
I can also answer your quesiton in a longer form: No, No, No, No. If you look at statistics for previous elections you'll find the same percentage of African-American voted for the Democratic candidate no matter what. Thus, race hasn't really been a factor to them.
You will however see that an overwhelming percentage of white people vote Democratic. More than in previous elections.
In short, I guess that's my argument for the "If it wasn't for the black vote" argument.
To the people who made statements about religion and politics. I totally agree with you. But I would. I think religion should be throw away entirely as I'm a bloody huge atheist.
To the person who seems to have some kind of unidentified issues about gay adoption: get over it, dude.
That was a joke I believe.
Mr Rage was concerned he may be adopted.