Quote: Spagett @ October 26 2008, 12:41 AM BSTUntil America is no longer the most powerful nation on Earth we all have a vested interest in their elections.
I disagree.
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Quote: DaButt @ October 26 2008, 12:43 AM BSTLook up Obama's views on gay marriage. He does not support them and has said so many times.
Obama says he considers marriage to be between a man and a woman but he has also said he is opposing the proposition.
Obama is not perfect and I have a feeling it may end up like Britain did with Tony Blair. In 1997 he was the best thing since sliced bread but was ultimately underwhelming.
However Obama even with his flaws is still in my opinion the better choice.
Quote: DaButt @ October 26 2008, 12:46 AM BSTI disagree.
How can you disagree with that?
America is the most powerful nation on Earth.
Your nations decisions and actions have an impact on the rest of the world.
Quote: DaButt @ October 26 2008, 12:43 AM BSTLook up Obama's views on gay marriage. He does not support them and has said so many times.
If he said he did support gay marriage NO f**ker would vote him president.
I suspect he might get in first and then sneakily change things from the inside.
Well it's possible anyway. 
Quote: zooo @ October 26 2008, 12:50 AM BSTIf he said he did support gay marriage NO f**ker would vote him president.
That's very true.
(well, except me, and a few select lovely people.)
Also, he's been having to pretend that he's a god-fearing, church goer. Although he probably isn't. Which over here we would consider a good thing. But in the USA, they want their presidents to be bible bashers. 
Quote: Spagett @ October 26 2008, 12:50 AM BSTAmerica is the most powerful nation on Earth.
Your nations decisions and actions have an impact on the rest of the world.
The United States and its actions have less of an impact on the world than you might think. But it's a very convenient target for groups and political parties all over the world who choose to attack the spectre of the American boogyman instead of confronting their own problems.
Quote: zooo @ October 26 2008, 12:50 AM BSTIf he said he did support gay marriage NO f**ker would vote him president.
Again, untrue. You'd be surprised by the number of Americans who couldn't care less about gay marriage. Again, it's a smokescreen generated by the political parties and the media.
Well, I'm sure that's true about the more civilised areas on the coasts, but it's those scary bits in the middle...
Quote: Eat_My_Shirts @ October 26 2008, 12:55 AM BSTAlso, he's been having to pretend that he's a god-fearing, church goer. Although he probably isn't. Which over here we would consider a good thing. But in the USA, they want their presidents to be bible bashers.
Obama has been going to church for decades and I have no doubt that he's a believer. But I disagree with your comment about bible bashers. Americans, as a whole, go to church only occasionally. They're fine with anyone who attends or doesn't attend church, but they'll draw the line at people/candidates who bash churchgoers and the church in general for no reason other than political gain.
What would you have voted for DaButt on prop 8 out of interest?
Also as you are in America is the general feeling that the Democrats are ahead and as a Republican do you think you can still win?
Quote: zooo @ October 26 2008, 12:58 AM BSTWell, I'm sure that's true about the more civilised areas on the coasts, but it's those scary bits in the middle...
Untrue. That's like saying that the Welsh eat their boogers and anyone north of London f**ks sheep. This nation is so homogeneous it's not even funny.
Well, we disagree.
And yes you're there and I'm not, but still.
Quote: DaButt @ October 26 2008, 1:00 AM BSTObama has been going to church for decades and I have no doubt that he's a believer. But I disagree with your comment about bible bashers. Americans, as a whole, go to church only occasionally. They're fine with anyone who attends or doesn't attend church, but they'll draw the line at people/candidates who bash churchgoers and the church in general for no reason other than political gain.
But a massive junk of the presidential campaign, is trying to appeal to the southern hillbilly states. And they are all hardcore Godders. So a candidate not being a church goer and promoting gay marriage, isn't going to sit well with them at all.
Quote: Eat_My_Shirts @ October 26 2008, 1:05 AM BSTBut a massive junk of the presidential campaign, is trying to appeal to the southern hillbilly states. And they are all Godders. So a candidate not being a church goer and promoting gay marriage, isn't going to sit well with them at all.
Exactly.
I think the fact that the vast majority if not all US Presidents have been very religious people or at least said they were shows that it's almost expected you are a Godder or there is no point even trying to get elected.
It's almost the opposite in Britain. Blair only came out as religious after he left number 10 because he thought people wouldn't like it.
Quote: Spagett @ October 26 2008, 1:01 AM BSTWhat would you have voted for DaButt on prop 8 out of interest?
Also as you are in America is the general feeling that the Democrats are ahead and as a Republican do you think you can still win?
California has so many propositions every election that they've become a bit of a joke. Not sure about the rest of the state, but my personal stance when I was a resident was to vote against every single proposition on the ballot. I was quite comfortable with the current state of the constitution, etc.
Except for the most ignorant of the population, Americans just want to live their lives in peace with as little government/outside intervention as possible. Everyone has gay friends and gay family members and they don't want them thrown in a dungeon, they just want to get on with their own lives.
The press would like everyone to believe that Obama has an insurmountable lead, but everyone remembers that Bush was losing by a point or two a few days before the election, just like McCain. But when the election is done we'll all just carry on with being Americans and supporting our president.