And why, Walker, are you talking of 'race' anyway, as if there is some worthwhile and innate distinction between hierarchically arranged 'races'. From where I'm sitting, there is the human race - a race of homosapiens characterised by migration and therefore complex lineage. I'm not sure I like where this thread is going and my advise it that it is closed so that we can all concentrate on comedy and helping each other get a foothold in the industry on this caring, sharing board! 
And relax Losaavedra...though I do understand...some things should just be kept behind the late night bedroom meeting doors...he can obviously write...but erm...this one...i kinda think that lines becoming a distant distant dot.
I find comical that people are labelling me as "racist" for pointing out that racism works both ways. Some of you seem to have an illusion over your eyes that tells you race should never be addressed with a black instigator. You listen to rap music, racism is there. You look at black culture and you'll find the term "nigger" become a term of address amungst friends. Black comedians constantly insulting white people. The race card being played whenever a black person loses a job, or even gets voted out of a reality show. It exists people. The truth hurts. But it exists.
Your piece is infantile and racist. Your defence consists of sweeping (and racist) generalisations.
The more you write, the more evidence emerges that you are a racist.
I must say, you're not coming across very well at all here, Walker.
Quote: Walker @ June 19, 2007, 5:50 PMNo, that is ignorance. White people have enver suffered racism? What about the hundreds of years when Persians made the Greeks slaves? What about when many white farmers where driven out of Africa? Not to mention the obvious of Jews under the Egyptians (though they are not exactly white, they are treat as inferior).
And you have also picked up on the entire point of the sketch. Why shouldn't words like "cracker" and "oinky" be as offensive as "nigger"? It is this kind of downright ignorance by people who can't see before the times of black slavery that means the caucasian race can be subject to racism without anything being done.
"Awful" and "Unfunny" i accept as true criticism though.
You're an idiot. First of all don't change what I said, I never said "white people have never suffered racism"...I said "white people have never suffered racism TO THE SAME EXTENT as black and asian people". And also the examples you give are not been used in the context of our discussion, those aren't racist on the grounds of skin colour, those where on grounds of religion or nationality.
And don't be so stupid, "Why shouldn't word words like "cracker" and "oinky" be as offensive as "nigger?"...are you really that dumb, it makes you sound like you want those words to become offensive. Those words don't have the connotations of the word "nigger" you just have to take one glance at history to know that.
I don't get what point you are trying to make, you are saying the sketch was intended to say that racism can come from everyone, but from that post it seems like you are saying "How come black people get away with?". An extremely horrible, ignorant sketch disguised as a "political agenda".
I guess you'll be taking flowers to Bernard Manning's grave later yeah?
Quote: Martin Holmes @ June 19, 2007, 8:39 PMAnd don't be so stupid, "Why shouldn't word words like "cracker" and "oinky" be as offensive as "nigger?"...are you really that dumb, it makes you sound like you want those words to become offensive. Those words don't have to connotations of the word "nigger" you just just have to take one glance at history to know that.
I don't get what point you are trying to make, you are saying the sketch was intended to say that racism can come from everyone, but from that post it seems like you are saying "How come black people get away with?".
Black people are allowed to use Nigger - NWA for instance.
If a black man calls you some of these names it's meant in a derogatory manner so it's exactly the same - rascism!
This is the last I'll say on this but those who say that black people using racist terminology are 'the same' as white racists are missing the point. The problem with racism is not what it is but the effect it has. The effect it has is to subjugate, impoverish and dehumanise especially black people. This has not and will not always be the case but for the last 500 years or so it has. I think that white people are doing comparatively well economically in a global context..
Quote: Fred Peters @ June 19, 2007, 8:56 PMThis is the last I'll say on this but those who say that black people using racist terminology are 'the same' as white racists are missing the point. The problem with racism is not what it is but the effect it has. The effect it has is to subjugate, impoverish and dehumanise especially black people. This has not and will not always be the case but for the last 500 years or so it has. I think that white people are doing comparatively well economically in a global context..
hear hear.
Those of us who go in for literary pursuits must take responsibility for the things we write and must expect to become identified with them and judged by them. History is full of examples of 'literary work' that has caused immense problems for humanity one way or the other (cf. Malleus Maleficarum, The Protocols of the Elders of Sion, Mein Kamf, The Satanic Verses ... I could go on). I imagine almost anyone here, able to string words together (we all can after a fashion) and given sufficient time and inclination, could come up with something equally unpleasant to those unfortunate enough to be their target whatever their race, colour or creed. I could certainly do it myself ... but I know I never will. Enough said from me I think.
Quote: Badge @ June 18, 2007, 12:59 AMI agree there is a place for edgy stuff but my problem with this sketch is that it is pointless because it's stating the obvious that racism exists in all races. The only alternative point I could possibly decipher from it (and this is why I've asked the question) is an undercurrent of "us against them" - i.e. "they" have a go at "us" for being racist but "they" get away with racism themselves. Now, if this is what was intended then I find the sketch totally offensive because there is nothing more racist than an "us and them" attitude. But I'm hoping the sketch was just pointless.
Sorry to quote myself, but I'm afraid it seems this sketch wasn't pointless.
Quote: Fred Peters @ June 19, 2007, 7:03 PMI'm not sure I like where this thread is going
Heil Walker!
I'm glad I logged on to the COMEDY forum this morning...
I'm not getting involved in the racism thing cos I've frankly got more important things to do.
Walker -- you've got an obvious reversal sketch there and the reversal is executed quite well structurally. The problem is that the sketch isn't in the least bit funny and for such a lengthy sketch, should provide at least five or six decent one-liners and one laugh-out-loud funny moment. It has none of these. It seems to have been written just for provocation's sake, which is not how to write comedy. Comedy should be funny first period, regardless of political agendas. Chris Morris wrote the Brass Eye paedophilia special as a pisstake of media attitude to paedophiles. But it was and always will be funny first, provocative second.
If your main aim is to be provocative, politics should be your agenda, not comedy.
Can we keep it funny here please? I'm sure there are plenty of other places on the web to go for this sort of discussion/interaction.
Dan
Quote: swerytd @ June 20, 2007, 12:37 PMCan we keep it funny here please?
have you ever noticed white men drive like this, but black men drive like this.
A simple 'no' would have sufficed...