CERN Page 19

Quote: Afinkawan @ September 12 2008, 4:31 PM BST

Hawking said the collisions happen at other times, not that the conditions were the same.

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That's my point. So when Hawking reassured us by saying these collisions happen all the time, he wasn't telling the whole truth?

Yep, I've read quite a few books on this Griff as quantum physics is something I love (The Matter Myth / Wrinkles in Time - if I remember right). I love it for its poetry and beauty but also because it makes reality seem like a poorly tuned TV channel - ghostlike and barely audible above the universal static.

Quote: Griff @ September 12 2008, 4:45 PM BST

You'd have to point us at the quote SlagA.

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So you're beginning to understand the reason for my confusion?

BBC's Today program: "Collisions at these and greater energies occur millions of times a day in the Earth's atmosphere, and nothing terrible happens."

Is Hawking not really being truthful with the public?

He's only giving particle story.

huzzAH

Quote: Marc P @ September 12 2008, 4:53 PM BST

He's only giving particle story.

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Greek hackers have already broken into the computer network:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern212.xml

That was a good idea.

Quote: DaButt @ September 12 2008, 9:36 PM BST

Greek hackers have already broken into the computer network:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern212.xml

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Damn Greeks.

Quote: Griff @ September 12 2008, 9:42 PM BST

I expect they used a Trojan.

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Quote: Griff @ September 12 2008, 9:42 PM BST

I expect they used a Trojan.

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Nice one, but shouldn't it have been posted in the contraception thread?

Quote: Griff @ September 12 2008, 9:42 PM BST

I expect they used a Trojan.

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Ah! Should have said 'entered'.

Quote: Griff @ September 12 2008, 9:59 PM BST

Yeah that would probably have been a better word. Still it distracted me for five minutes from the sketch I have no idea how to end and have been staring at miserably for hours.

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Aw. Just throw it in Critique? Or have a drink?

I'm a science based person in that I love the concepts and some of the logic but I have a realistic expectation about scientists. But am I the only one hearing alarm bells over the most expensive machine ever made, in the most delicate of operations, having hackers in the system?

I'm assured it could've been worse, they could've been French.

Quote: Finck @ September 12 2008, 10:00 PM BST

Aw. Just throw it in Critique? Or have a drink?

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Stick it in here, if finck can't get the punch in a couple of goes, no one can.

Quote: SlagA @ September 12 2008, 10:02 PM BST

I'm a science based person in that I love the concepts and some of the logic but I have a realistic expectation about scientists. But am I the only one hearing alarm bells over the most expensive machine ever made, in the most delicate of operations, having hackers in the system?

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The only way to keep it absolutely secure would be to have it completely disconnected from the outside world. But it's a collaboration of thousands of scientists from around the world, so the experiment needs to be somewhat connected to the Internet.

Ever seen the results of network security experiments? Someone dropped a bunch of cheap USB thumb drives (infected with a trojan/virus, of course) in the parking lot of a business and a scary number of the "lucky" people who found the drives plugged them right into their office computers.