He was asking a question, Griff.
You really need to stop taking this so personally!
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Quote: Griff @ September 11 2008, 7:05 PM BSTDoesn't it?
I don't know. Does that question mark you used denote a question?
Oh look there's one in Slag's post too.
I'm starting to wish the world HAD blown up now.
Just cos Hawking is a scientist doesn't mean we can't voice our opinions on what he's said.
Quote: Griff @ September 11 2008, 7:21 PM BSTRight I'm off to get a cup of tea.
You guys keep an eye on these meddling scientists while I'm gone.
No of course not. Why should anyone need to know anything about science before saying "Ooh that Stephen Hawking's got his facts wrong", "black holes are all a load of horseshit" etc? It's elitism, that's what it is.
Don't drag me into it.
We're entitled to believe what we like, whether it frustrates you or not. So knock it on the head.
Quote: Griff @ September 11 2008, 6:55 PM BSTBut more to the point, and this is where I have to just stop talking to the sceptics and walk away, do you really believe that after a few minutes consideration you have spotted a reason why this whole experiment is unnecessary and redundant, when thousands of highly trained physicists who have devoted their lives to studying subatomic particles have spent decades coming up with the experiment they think would be most useful (to them, at least) ? I mean if you really have found a flaw in their logic, phone the newspapers and tell someone. You'd make a fortune in TV appearances.
I hear ya, Brother. The same goes for people who are always spouting off about how to fix the economy, win the war/election/game, save the planet, etc. It's human nature to want to offer an opinion, but you have to remember that you're trying to offer a simplistic solution to a complex problem that is understood far better by experts. And when all is said and done you have to assume they have a better handle on it than you'll ever have.
Does anyone know how to wire a plug? I could do with some advice.
Quote: Nigel Kelly @ September 11 2008, 7:32 PM BSTDoes anyone know how to wire a plug? I could do with some advice.
Bash it against a wall for 20 minutes then give up and cry.
All the science bods on this thread have been verrry pompous.
YOU'VE PUT ME OFF SCIENCE FOREVER!
What will science do without one of the most fabulous minds in history, eh...?
It's a sad day.
Quote: Paul W @ September 11 2008, 7:33 PM BSTBash it against a wall for 20 minutes then give up and cry.
I take it we're still talking about plugs?
No, Stephen Hawking.
Quote: zooo @ September 11 2008, 7:34 PM BSTAll the science bods on this thread have been verrry pompous.
You mean the "science bods" are pompus and have access to wikipedia?
When I said 'wire a plug' I meant I am looking to send a Beano character in for some undercover work.
Quote: Griff @ September 11 2008, 7:21 PM BSTNo of course not. Why should anyone need to know anything about science before saying "Ooh that Stephen Hawking's got his facts wrong", "black holes are all a load of horseshit" etc? It's elitism, that's what it is. Hawking is nothing more than an oppressor. Scientific matters should be decided by a public vote. That would be fairer, I think.
Blimey Griff. He was simply making an observation that, as far as Hawking seemed to be explaining it from what he saw, Hawking was saying two opposing things at once. He wasn't actively criticising the 'facts' of it.
Quote: DaButt @ September 11 2008, 7:26 PM BSTI hear ya, Brother. The same goes for people who are always spouting off about how to fix the economy
Well that's quite simple. Cut the wages of the working classes. If you don't need to pay them as much, then the cost of the raw materials which they prepare and distribute goes down, and thus does the finished product. Anti-inflation. o/
Quote: zooo @ September 11 2008, 7:34 PM BSTAll the science bods on this thread have been verrry pompous.
YOU'VE PUT ME OFF SCIENCE FOREVER!
What will science do without one of the most fabulous minds in history, eh...?
It's a sad day.
THE most fabulous mind. Obviously.
I should have read all the thread to make sure I wasn't dragging up bad feelings but I didn't think Cern would cause as much anxiety and dissent as "Gavin and Stacey". Apols to Griff.
I'm not out to make a fortune or score points of anyone (either BSG or as in Hawking' case, non-BSG). I admire people like Hawking but it won't stop me asking dumb questions when I see a dumb question, no matter how big their reputation. 'tis the only way I'll learn. If he was here now, I'd ask him the same question, confident he'd swat me away with his intellect.