Quote: SlagA @ September 10 2008, 1:35 PM BSTI love the idea that we're being told there's nothing to worry about the creation of black holes on Earth especially when they are probably one of the least understood and most destructive of phenomenum in the universe.
But aren't black holes merely theoretical?
There's no actual proof they exist is there?
I'm going to go out on a limb and says it's all a load of old horse shit.
Quote: Seefacts @ September 10 2008, 10:37 PM BSTBut aren't black holes merely theoretical?
There's no actual proof they exist is there?
I'm going to go out on a limb and says it's all a load of old horse shit.
Errrr.... I might be wrong mister S, but I think, rather than give John Barrowman airtime on Radio4, that the whole point of the thing is actually to contract the gap between speculation and fact.
The proof of the pudding here is actually to prove the pudding.
Griff will give you the recipie.
Quote: Griff @ September 10 2008, 10:43 PM BSTAnyway, apparently some girl in India killed herself today by drinking pesticide because she was so scared the world was going to end. So I hope all the conspiracy theory f**k-knuckles who like to pass comment on the work of top physicists despite not knowing the first c**ting thing about science are pleased with themselves for spreading all this alarm.
Yep. Anyone stupid enough to kill themselves because the world might end, is best got rid of. Darwinism.
And he almost already did.
Quote: Aaron @ September 10 2008, 10:46 PM BSTYep. Anyone stupid enough to kill themselves because the world might end, is best got rid of. Darwinism.
Very fair point.
Quote: Griff @ September 10 2008, 10:43 PM BSTAre you confusing black holes with dark matter? Black holes are well accepted, I thought, largely due to Stephen Hawking's work: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4249192.stm
Anyway, apparently some girl in India killed herself today by drinking pesticide because she was so scared the world was going to end. So I hope all the conspiracy theory f**k-knuckles who like to pass comment on the work of top physicists despite not knowing the first c**ting thing about science are pleased with themselves for spreading all this alarm.
Yeah of course, but the thing with theories is they might not be true. I have no idea either way, and if this experiment works and we learn some new things - then that's good!
Quote: Griff @ September 10 2008, 10:55 PM BST*Worldwide scientific community breathes a sigh of relief to learn that Seefacts endorses their methods, after having initially denounced black holes as "horseshit" despite zero knowledge of astrophysics *
Don't be a knob about it.
I'm just saying, it could well be a load of shit. What can't be denied is the fact that it's all theories. I mean they said the black holes will disappear, and they're basing that on a Hawking THEORY. Theory isn't necessarily fact. It's just numbers and letters on a page. That's a fact. No one has seen a blackhole up close have they? So that says they don't know for sure. Science is a f**king weird thing generally, so god knows what will happen when this CERN thing kicks in.
Nothing probably.
Griff and seefacts sitting in a tree
Sticking a twig in the mother fo's eye
so the mother fo can no longer see.
Astrophysics? come on, it's not rocket science is it?
Quote: Seefacts @ September 10 2008, 11:03 PM BSTDon't be a knob about it.
I'm just saying, it could well be a load of shit. What can't be denied is the fact that it's all theories. I mean they said the black holes will disappear, and they're basing that on a Hawking THEORY. Theory isn't necessarily fact. It's just numbers and letters on a page. That's a fact. No one has seen a blackhole up close have they? So that says they don't know for sure. Science is a f**king weird thing generally, so god knows what will happen when this CERN thing kicks in.
Nothing probably.
Sorry mate but 
Quote: Seefacts @ September 10 2008, 11:03 PM BSTI'm just saying, it could well be a load of shit. What can't be denied is the fact that it's all theories.
Very few things come as a total surprise, seeing as the laws of physics are fairly well known. Anything that does come as a surprise is analyzed and subsequently verified by a revised equation and everything is right as rain.
These guys are really only trying to prove their old theories and any head-scratchers that crop up will serve as fodder for new theories.
Science and mathematics are freakin' awesome, dude!
Quote: Marc P @ September 10 2008, 11:08 PM BSTGriff and seefacts sitting in a tree
Sticking a twig in the mother fo's eye
so the mother fo can no longer see.Astrophysics? come on, it's not rocket science is it?
I bet that gag gets used every 7 minutes in the CERN HQ.
The fact that we we as a world want to learn why were here, and how we got here - is allllllll good. But it's just theories, ideas, principles and notions.
Quote: Marc P @ September 10 2008, 11:09 PM BSTSorry mate but
Go on . . .?
Quote: Griff @ September 10 2008, 10:55 PM BST*Worldwide scientific community breathes a sigh of relief to learn that Seefacts endorses their methods, after having initially denounced black holes as "horseshit" despite zero knowledge of astrophysics *
Y'know, Seefacts is a jolly nice chap Griff. You may actually like him!
Quote: Griff @ September 10 2008, 11:12 PM BSTI don't think you understand science, Seefacts. Saying "oh well it's just a 'theory' so therefore NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING so ANYONE CAN SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT BEING WRONG so NERR" is, well, childish crap.
The whole of science is just theories - theories that nobody has ever managed to disprove despite a whole heap of rigorous attempts at disproof. Which far from making them wild speculation, makes them mankind's best understanding at the current day.
The fact remains that, for example, all the electronic components in your laptop - which are based on "electromagnetic field THEORY","particle THEORY" and so on - still somehow manage to work. Unless they are made by Dell.
Anyway, as Patrick Moore says, some people's ignorance of science is so complete that it is useless to argue with them.
And yes, people have seen black holes. Using radio telescopes.
As you can probably guess - I'm no scientist. I'm actually not all that interested in science really. I just know I don't want get blown up anytime soon!
I'm not going to bother arguing about science for god's sake, especially not with you Griff or Mr. P!
I would seriously doubt ANYONE other than scientists should even bother discussing this because it's so complex.
I know my thoughts on the matter, and you know yours. So knock it on the head will you?
Quote: Aaron @ September 10 2008, 11:14 PM BSTY'know, Seefacts is a jolly nice chap Griff. You may actually like him!
This is correct, yes.
I think they should do tests on Griff to find out why he's such a cantankerous arse.
Ooh, Dr. Brian Cocks was on Jeremy Paxman. I just missed him. 
Quote: Seefacts @ September 10 2008, 11:16 PM BSTAs you can probably guess - I'm no scientist. I'm actually not all that interested in science really. I just know I don't want get blown up anytime soon!
I'm not going to bother arguing about science for god's sake, especially not with you Griff or Mr. P!
I would seriously doubt ANYONE other than scientists should even bother discussing this because it's so complex.
I know my thoughts on the matter, and you know yours. So knock it on the head will you?
This is correct, yes.
I think they should do tests on Griff to find out why he's such a cantankerous arse.
