I kinda wanted Snape to kill Harry and bury him some where.
Voldemort is a bit rubbish as villains go.
But Snape and Hermione doing a Natural Born Killers with magic would be cool.
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Quote: Timbo @ August 15 2008, 11:35 AM BSTSorry that is complete nonsense. Only writers care if jokes are obvious? Bollocks.
So thaaaaaat's why After You've Gone, My Family, and My Hero, Two Pints, and everything else which is hated around here, were such utter failures! Yes, I get you now! 
Quote: Timbo @ August 15 2008, 11:35 AM BSTBut adults should have the insight to recognise that they are muggles, who have not been born into a world of privilege.
So what?
Quote: Timbo @ August 15 2008, 11:39 AM BSTI actually think it was the kids themselves who gave the craze its momentum.
Well something does have to have an audience in order for it to become popular, no matter what any merchandise or media machine may do. But the latter fuelled it, and kept it alive and sustained.
Quote: Griff @ August 15 2008, 11:47 AM BSTTo be fair, everyone around here hates Lab Rats too.
But that's not because of the jokes. It's just shit.
There are some constants in human life which cannot be argued. 
Quote: Timbo @ August 15 2008, 11:35 AM BSTBut adults should have the insight to recognise that they are muggles, who have not been born into a world of privilege.
I always thought the books were saying the exact opposite. Namely, that even the existence of magic doesn't change the human condition and that being born privileged doesn't mean anything at all or rather that the believe in being born privileged (or "better") is the cause of conflicts.
I read the books as being critical of technology and society and thought they were transporting some moral statements than can be universally acctepted without being patronising. But that's just stupid me reading children's books, I guess.
Quote: Aaron @ August 15 2008, 11:47 AM BSTSo thaaaaaat's why After You've Gone, My Family, and My Hero, Two Pints, and everything else which are hated around here, were such utter failures! Yes, I get you now!
Oddly enough, I do not think any of those shows are really loved, in the same way that genuinely good mainstream shows such as Porridge or Rising Damp are loved. And it is certainly not only writers and critics who actively dislike them.
Quote: Aaron @ August 15 2008, 11:47 AM BSTSo what?
For this type of fiction the reader should be able to identify with the protagonist. It seems odd to identify with someone who looks down on you.
Quote: Finck @ August 15 2008, 11:51 AM BSTI always thought the books were saying the exact opposite. Namely, that even the existence of magic doesn't change the human condition and that being born privileged doesn't mean anything at all or rather that the believe in being born privileged (or "better") is the cause of conflicts.
I read the books as being critical of technology and society and thought they were transporting some moral statements than can be universally acctepted without being patronising. But that's just stupid me reading children's books, I guess.
Well said. The wizarding world had its own privileged section of its society. And the Malfoys did so well for themselves. 
If anything, one could argue that it's saying that a world of privilege is a hindrance. The 'Muggles' weren't pissing themselves with fright over the prospect of Tom Marvolo Riddle.
Quote: Griff @ August 15 2008, 11:47 AM BSTTo be fair, everyone around here hates Lab Rats too.
I didnt!
Perhaps I am easily pleased but I can't say I hate it. The sort of stuff that comes and goes and was maybe a bit of a curates egg.
Quote: Timbo @ August 15 2008, 11:54 AM BSTFor this type of fiction the reader should be able to identify with the protagonist. It seems odd to identify with someone who looks down on you.
Have you actually read a single one of the books? That statement could not be more of a load of utter bollocks if you tried.
Quote: Finck @ August 15 2008, 11:51 AM BSTI always thought the books were saying the exact opposite. Namely, that even the existence of magic doesn't change the human condition and that being born privileged doesn't mean anything at all or rather that the believe in being born privileged (or "better") is the cause of conflicts.
I read the books as being critical of technology and society and thought they were transporting some moral statements than can be universally acctepted without being patronising. But that's just stupid me reading children's books, I guess.
In fairness I have only read the first one and been forced to sit through a couple of the films, which always simplify, so it is possible that in the later books the theme may have been subverted. But I just saw children born into privilege going to an exclusive public school, where they referred to lesser mortals as "muggles".
Quote: Timbo @ August 15 2008, 12:00 PM BSTIn fairness I have only read the first one and been forced to sit through a couple of the films, which always simplify, so it is possible that in the later books the theme may have been subverted. But I just saw children born into privilege going to an exclusive public school, where they referred to lesser mortals as "muggles".
Is Timbo a class warrior?
Quote: Griff @ August 15 2008, 12:00 PM BSTI haven't even seen Lab Rats, I'm just copying what everyone else said.
I don't dislike it. It has jokes. It is an unfashionable opinion on here, but I think these are important in a sitcom.
Quote: Griff @ August 15 2008, 12:03 PM BST
Now that is a public school novel worth reading.
I am sure this isn't off topic, but what do you make of 'The Thief Lord' and Inkheart' by your own Cernelia Funke, Finck.
I rather enjoyed them. 
Quote: Griff @ August 15 2008, 12:05 PM BSTWho's said sitcoms don't need jokes?
I am naming no-names, but from discussions in the forums I sometimes get the impression that gags are considered by some at best a necessary evil.
Quote: Griff @ August 15 2008, 12:05 PM BSTWho's said sitcoms don't need jokes?
BTW JK Rowling nicked the name "Hogwarts" from the Molesworth books and has never acknowledged it.
When was Molesworth first published Griff?
Quote: Aaron @ August 15 2008, 11:57 AM BSTIf anything, one could argue that it's saying that a world of privilege is a hindrance. The 'Muggles' weren't pissing themselves with fright over the prospect of Tom Marvolo Riddle.
The burden of responsibility is the argument always used to justify privilege.
As for the Malfoys, snobs always have bigger snobs to look down on them.