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I was going to write a post just like this...

This can't really happen, can it? Maybe I'm just naive.

Stolen stories

A guest post from Gail Renard, Chair of the Guild's TV Committee:

Many writers submit unsolicited storylines to television companies in the hope of getting work. It's a time honoured tradition, but a disquieting practice recently has sprung up. Writers are regularly receiving replies along the lines of, "What a wonderful storyline! We love it. But we just want you to know, in an amazing co-inky dinky, that our producer/ researcher/ Peruvian intern came up with almost an identical storyline, so we won't be able to use yours."

Allow me to translate: "Yes your story was good; so good in fact, we're going to nick it and not pay for it."

This appropriation of storylines by production personnel is being noticed all over the industry. A well-known agent observed, "They tell the lie before they steal the story."

Of course certain ideas are in the ether and very much a part of our zeitgeist. Some of us do have similar ideas at the same time. I for one still haven't forgiven Richard Curtis for writing Blackadder, Four Weddings and A Funeral, and Notting Hill, all of which were on the tip of my pen. But the number of times this is happening to writers now is getting worrying.

If you've received one of these letters or e-mails lately, we'd like to see it. Could you please alert the Guild office: erik@writersguild.org.uk

The rule is if someone likes your original storyline enough to use it, he/she must pay for it.

The Guild be launching our new Television Good Practice Guide shortly. But here's a preview:

"Unsolicited storylines come free. So, too, do brief outlines which put down on paper the gist of an idea in which you have expressed an interest. If, after discussion, you ask a writer to prepare a full storyline to test the development of an idea, this is a storyline commission and you are bound by Writers' Guild Agreements to pay for it."

And hold the "coincidences."

Surely though (I hope) as someone else has said it would be in their interests to be honest because we could have loads of other usable stuff. Unless of course we keep sending new stuff out!

(Who'd be that stupid?)

There must be an awful lot of people who try their luck and claim to have had an "idea" just to try and make money. They ruin it for the honest writers who have genuinely been exploited.

Quote: Simon Stratton @ August 14 2008, 2:21 PM BST

The Guild be launching our new Television Good Practice Guide shortly. But here's a preview:

"Unsolicited storylines come free. So, too, do brief outlines which put down on paper the gist of an idea in which you have expressed an interest. If, after discussion, you ask a writer to prepare a full storyline to test the development of an idea, this is a storyline commission and you are bound by Writers' Guild Agreements to pay for it."

Blimey - that's not what happens at the moment - not in my experience, anyway. Payment starts at a much later stage than that. Let's hope this new Good Practice Guide gets adhered to...

Quote: Bomber @ August 14 2008, 3:02 PM BST

Blimey - that's not what happens at the moment - not in my experience, anyway. Payment starts at a much later stage than that. Let's hope this new Good Practice Guide gets adhered to...

It might make some prodcos unwilling to look at work from new writers and make it even more difficult to get your work read.

Quote: chipolata @ August 14 2008, 3:05 PM BST

It might make some prodcos unwilling to look at work from new writers and make it even more difficult to get your work read.

What do you mean? If we want paying too?

Hmm. It sounds a bit unlikely I must say - this sort of thing happens all the time in journalism, you phone a features editor and they go 'oh dang, we're doing that in our october issue' and give it to the staff writer who has no good ideas but happens to own lots of slingbacks in the same size as the boss and always does the 4pm kitkat run.

But in production companies? It doesn't really make sense because they don't have writers on staff. If someone comes to them with an idea about their quirky upbringing by Inuit parents in Leytonstone, why would they give it to a writer who doesn't know anything about the subject? Surely that would only happen if the idea was great but the writing was so so bad, or the writer so unwilling to take notes, that it's a moot point, ie they're not going to get hired to write anything anyway?

Call me hopelessly green but I think sometimes the same ideas are just knocking about in the ether, and for every sitcom about two grumpy men in a record shop, there's 15 writers going "oi! that's my idea!" (I say this as someone with an uncanny knack of being about 3.5 months behind the zeitguiest in everything I write)(and also as someone with stuff at prod companies who's now a bit scared that my scripts might get ripped off as vehicles for Rich Fulcher)

Must say this thing about being paid for a synopsis is bloody interesting, mind. Never heard of such a thing. Fingers crossed eh. Do you have to be in a union for that?

Quote: willie garvin @ August 14 2008, 5:04 PM BST

Must say this thing about being paid for a synopsis is bloody interesting, mind. Never heard of such a thing. Fingers crossed eh. Do you have to be in a union for that?

I think they must mean 'optioning' the idea from a script and getting other writers in to write the actual episodes. I have heard of it happening.

really? I stand corrected. Doesn't make a lick of sense mind, unless the person with the idea is a terrible writer. I suppose a lot of decisions in the industry don't make a lick of sense. Hmmmm.

The person with the idea is a terrible writer ;)

They do keep them involved though (as a 'created by' credit) and in the money for further ideas / help with the writing. Well, the one production company that I've heard of doing it did.

Quote: willie garvin @ August 14 2008, 5:35 PM BST

really? I stand corrected. Doesn't make a lick of sense mind, unless the person with the idea is a terrible writer. I suppose a lot of decisions in the industry don't make a lick of sense. Hmmmm.

It does make sense when the editor's friend is a known writer

Also, bear in mind that a lot of 'em are even more devious and state similar in the small print - so they are effectively receiving donations!

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