Ooh, I'm picking up all these new words today.
How do you get a book published? Page 7
Fancy a nosh then, or what?
I ... I think I'd rather not, if it is all the same to you. 
Quote: Aaron @ August 11 2008, 10:44 AM BSTOoh, I'm picking up all these new words today.
Here's one: 'A total and utter Coren'.
Quote: Seefacts @ August 11 2008, 10:46 AM BSTHere's one: 'A total and utter Coren'.
Ha!
Quote: Aaron @ August 11 2008, 10:46 AM BSTI ... I think I'd rather not, if it is all the same to you.
I must admit I dislike the Gay community hijacking words for their own purposes.
Whats wrong with saying, 'I'm homosexual' or 'Where can we go for oral sex?'...
Not that it's got anything to do with getting a book published (I hope)! 
Quote: Griff @ August 11 2008, 10:47 AM BSTI don't think I contributed to that other thread.
But anyway. Having done proofreading and copy editing for a living occasionally, and even having done a journalism diploma once upon a time, I guess I sympathise with Coren. It's not like writing for a sketch show where the writer is anonymous and the effort is largely collaborative. Writing for a national newspaper your name and photo are there above your prose for the whole world to see, which brings its own version of stage fright as each item gets published. If you write a duff piece, OK, it's your own fault. But if something shit goes to print with your name on it because someone else thought they knew what you meant better than you, and interfered with it, and got it wrong, then I can imagine that you'd be really pissed off.
Yeah, that's true. From that POV of course I'd be pissed off.
But the fact that the gag was shit, and Coren writes in a way that makes him seem more intelligent than he is, and THEN for him to show the world what a knob he is by sending that email, I have no sympathy.
Quote: Griff @ August 11 2008, 10:47 AM BSTI don't think I contributed to that other thread.
But anyway. Having done proofreading and copy editing for a living occasionally, and even having done a journalism diploma once upon a time, I guess I sympathise with Coren. It's not like writing for a sketch show where the writer is anonymous and the effort is largely collaborative. Writing for a national newspaper your name and photo are there above your prose for the whole world to see, which brings its own version of stage fright as each item gets published. If you write a duff piece, OK, it's your own fault. But if something shit goes to print with your name on it because someone else thought they knew what you meant better than you, and interfered with it, and got it wrong, then I can imagine that you'd be really pissed off.
Have to agree old bean. There are good and bad editors and that was simply bad editing. If he thought Coren had made a mistake with his copy he should have clarified it with him - he didn't, giving him numpty status.
Quote: Frankie Rage @ August 11 2008, 10:50 AM BSTI must admit I dislike the Gay community hijacking words for their own purposes.
Whats wrong with saying, 'I'm homosexual' or 'Where can we go for oral sex?'...
Not that it's got anything to do with getting a book published (I hope)!
Yeah, those selfish bastards!...
Quote: Seefacts @ August 11 2008, 10:46 AM BSTHere's one: 'A total and utter Coren'.
I'll be using that. Of course from me it'll be a compliment.
Quote: Griff @ August 11 2008, 10:30 AM BSTI didn't say I liked the way he did it, or that I approved of it being made public. I said he was correct to be cross, and that remains my view.
His line did make sense, as it wasn't referring to food. I agree it wasn't particularly funny.
"I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for a nosh."
However the replacement line
"I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for nosh."
really doesn't make sense, unless you assume that boys and girls in the street smiling gaily at each other are thinking about where to go for a restaurant meal rather than sex.
That is a truly pathetic gag.
And frankly he may be a big important writer but he doesn't own The Times.
It's upto them what they print and how they edit it.
Unless they're purposefully trying to alter the meanings of his words.
I bet he's just pissed that Sue was so much better on Supersizers then him.
They were both ace! They worked as a team.
I don't really see how you could have enjoyed one without the other. I would have got too annoyed to watch if I didn't like one of them.
Oh he was good. But very much the Tommy Cannon to her Bobby Ball.
And you have to be a very, very big cheese before people stop editing you.
As late as The Stand Stephen King was getting edited.
I did like the Supersizers that was great TV.
Aah the mysterious world of journalism.
I've probably reading to much of the foul Evening Standard and developed a falsley poor image of the noble craft.
I heartily apologise to all journolistas in this forumn.
Giles Coren is a bit of a cock though.
And why he drew attention to such a lousy gag is beyond me.
Cos he's so ace.
Quote: sootyj @ August 11 2008, 11:08 AM BSTAnd why he drew attention to such a lousy gag is beyond me.
To refer to the original question of this thread, caring pasionately about your writing and what goes out with your name on it probably has something to do with it.
