Quote: zooo @ August 9 2008, 7:33 PM BSTTo be fair, I don't exactly know the guy's entire history! I don't want to.
But I've heard the audio of him speaking when he thought no one could hear him, used the n word an astounding amount. You just don't do that, I don't care how old you are.
He only used it once though.
Quote: zooo @ August 9 2008, 7:34 PM BSTWell, that's nice. But it doesn't affect how I think of him.
I'm sure 'lots of his friends are black'.Anyway, let's agree to disagree.
Why not 'disagree to agree'. Just make a nice change.
Quote: roscoff @ August 9 2008, 7:32 PM BSTThat be true of England and may be Scotland but in Wales it is not. Just look at the preponderance of rugby clubs in the valleys. There are 3 within a stones throw of where I'm sitting. Not much of a middle class here. Still no violence on the terraces though.
Wales! Buggering up my perceptions of sport!
I think you're right about the tribal thing. Football tends to attract people who enjoy the "Us vs. Them" mentality. Rugby seems to attract people with a passion for the sport. But there are far less rugby supporters, so obviously there would be less violence.
Quote: Seefacts @ August 9 2008, 7:34 PM BSTHe only used it once though.
I'm sure he used it several times....?
Quote: roscoff @ August 9 2008, 7:36 PM BSTWhy not 'disagree to agree'. Just make a nice change.
I can't work out what that would involve!
Quote: zooo @ August 9 2008, 7:36 PM BSTI'm sure he used it several times....?
I'm fairly sure he just used it once. In the context Seefacts posted earlier.
Quote: PhQnix @ August 9 2008, 7:36 PM BSTWales! Buggering up my perceptions of sport!
I think you're right about the tribal thing. Football tends to attract people who enjoy the "Us vs. Them" mentality. Rugby seems to attract people with a passion for the sport. But there are far less rugby supporters, so obviously there would be less violence.
I LOVE the Us v Them stuff. I love shouting at the players and getting worked up.
But the minute I leave the ground, it ends. That's what separates most fans with the nutters who causes trouble afterwards.
Quote: PhQnix @ August 9 2008, 7:36 PM BSTWales! Buggering up my perceptions of sport!
I think you're right about the tribal thing. Football tends to attract people who enjoy the "Us vs. Them" mentality. Rugby seems to attract people with a passion for the sport. But there are far less rugby supporters, so obviously there would be less violence.
I think your right about the passion for the sport. However the Millennium Stadium will be packed to the rafters next six nations but there wont be any fighting so the numbers thing doesn't quite add up 
I suppose I could be remembering it wrong. Or getting him confused with someone else?
Still not convinced though. But you know, doesn't really matter.
Let's disagree to agree.
Quote: zooo @ August 9 2008, 7:39 PM BSTI suppose I could be remembering it wrong. Or getting him confused with someone else?
Still not convinced though. But you know, doesn't really matter.
Let's disagree to agree.
Quote: roscoff @ August 9 2008, 7:38 PM BSTI think your right about the passion for the sport. However the Millennium Stadium will be packed to the rafters next six nations but there wont be any fighting so the numbers thing doesn't quite add up
I don't think there are that many incidents of violence during football matches though, are there?
Quote: Seefacts @ August 9 2008, 7:38 PM BSTI LOVE the Us v Them stuff. I love shouting at the players and getting worked up.
I like to think I don't enjoy it. But then the referee makes a bad decision or the other team gets a lucky goal and I just go nuts. It's an easy mentality to enjoy.
Quote: PhQnix @ August 9 2008, 7:42 PM BSTI don't think there are that many incidents of violence during football matches though, are there?
I like to think I don't enjoy it. But then the referee makes a bad decision or the other team gets a lucky goal and I just go nuts. It's an easy mentality to enjoy.
Yeah, it IS. As you say, it must be the tribal instinct. But I have the intelligence to separate that from my normal life. Many don't.
There aren't many incidents of violence inside matches anymore because they're better policed. They just do it in a pre-agreed spot outside the ground somewhere.
Quote: Seefacts @ August 9 2008, 7:44 PM BSTYeah, it IS. As you say, it must be the tribal instinct. But I have the intelligence to separate that from my normal life. Many don't.
It's weird. You see perfectly normal people shout the most ridiculously violent things on the terraces. I think many people treat it as a release.
Quote: roscoff @ August 9 2008, 7:45 PM BSTThere aren't many incidents of violence inside matches anymore because they're better policed. They just do it in a pre-agreed spot outside the ground somewhere.
I like the idea of "organised hooliganism." It sounds quaint.
Quote: PhQnix @ August 9 2008, 7:47 PM BSTIt's weird. You see perfectly normal people shout the most ridiculously violent things on the terraces. I think many people treat it as a release.
I like the idea of "organised hooliganism." It sounds quaint.
Yeah, it probably IS a release. It's nice to open your gob and let fly to people on much more money than me.
Quote: PhQnix @ August 9 2008, 7:47 PM BSTIt's weird. You see perfectly normal people shout the most ridiculously violent things on the terraces. I think many people treat it as a release.
There was a great clip on 'Soccer AM' of a granny giving Thierry Henry the finger.
