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Giles Coren

Two letters from Giles Coren to sub editors about reviews in the Times. Apologies for swears, and his inability to use the shift key.

From: Coren, Giles
Sent: 10 August 2002 16:41
To: James, Anita
Cc: Wells, Dominic
Subject:
In my f**king review. it is 35 f**king letters long, which is why i wrote that it was. and so some useless c**t sub-editor decides to change it to "jumps over A lazy dog" can you f**king count? can you see that that makes it a 33 letter sentence? so it looks as if i can't count, you change things you do not understand without consulting. why do you believe you know best when you know f**k all. jack shit.

never ever ask me to write something for you. and don't pay me. i'd rather take 400 quid for assassinating a crack whore's only child in a revenge killing for a busted drug deal - my integrity would be less compromised.

This is a letter columnist Giles Coren wrote to the sub editing team at the Times after one of them had the audacity to alter his copy.

Chaps,
mightily pissed off. I have addressed this to Owen, Amanda and Ben because I don't know who i am supposed to be pissed off with (i'm assuming owen, but i filed to amanda and ben so it's only fair), and also to Tony, who wasn't here - if he had been I'm guessing it wouldn't have happened.
I don't really like people tinkering with my copy for the sake of tinkering. I do not enjoy the suggestion that you have a better ear or eye for how I want my words to read than I do. Owen, we discussed your turning three of my long sentences into six short ones in a single piece, and how that wasn't going to happen anymore, so I'm really hoping it wasn't you that f**ked up my review on saturday.
It was the final sentence. Final sentences are very, very important. A piece builds to them, they are the little jingle that the reader takes with him into the weekend.
I wrote: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rose and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for a nosh."
It appeared as: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rose and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for nosh."
There is no length issue. This is someone thinking "I'll just remove this indefinite article because Coren is an illiterate c**t and i know best". Well, you f**king don't.
This was shit, shit sub-editing for three reasons.

1 'Nosh', as I'm sure you fluent Yiddish speakers know, is a noun formed from a bastardisation of the German 'naschen'. It is a verb, and can be construed into two distinct nouns. One, 'nosh', means simply 'food'. You have decided that this is what i meant and removed the 'a'. I am insulted enough that you think you have a better ear for English than me. But a better ear for Yiddish? I doubt it. Because the other noun, 'nosh' means "a session of eating" - in this sense you might think of its dual valency as being similar to that of 'scoff'. you can go for a scoff. or you can buy some scoff. the sentence you left me with is shit, and is not what i meant. Why would you change a sentnece aso that it meant something i didn't mean? I don't know, but you risk doing it every time you change something. And the way you avoid this kind of f**k up is by not changing a word of my copy without asking me, okay? it's easy. Not. A. Word. Ever.

I will now explain why your error is even more shit than it looks. You see, i was making a joke. I do that sometimes. I have set up the street as "sexually-charged". I have described the shenanigans across the road at G.A.Y.. I have used the word 'gaily' as a gentle nudge. And "looking for a nosh" has a secondary meaning of looking for a blowjob. Not specifically gay, for this is soho, and there are plenty of girls there who take money for noshing boys. "looking for nosh" does not have that ambiguity. the joke is gone. I only wrote that sodding paragraph to make that joke. And you've f**king stripped it out like a pissed Irish plasterer restoring a renaissance fresco and thinking jesus looks shit with a bear so plastering over it. You might as well have removed the whole paragraph. I mean, f**king christ, don't you read the copy?

3) And worst of all. Dumbest, deafest, shittest of all, you have removed the unstressed 'a' so that the stress that should have fallen on "nosh" is lost, and my piece ends on an unstressed syllable. When you're winding up a piece of prose, metre is crucial. Can't you hear? Can't you hear that it is wrong? It's not f**king rocket science. It's f**king pre-GCSE scansion. I have written 350 restaurant reviews for The Times and i have never ended on an unstressed syllable. F**k. f**k, f**k, f**k.

I am sorry if this looks petty (last time i mailed a Times sub about the change of a single word i got in all sorts of trouble) but i care deeply about my work and i hate to have it f**ked up by shit subbing. I have been away, you've been subbing joe and hugo and maybe they just file and f**k off and think "hey ho, it's tomorrow's fish and chips" - well, not me. I woke up at three in the morning on sunday and f**king lay there, furious, for two hours. weird, maybe. but that's how it is.

It strips me of all confidence in writing for the magazine. No exaggeration. i've got a review to write this morning and i really don't feel like doing it, for fear that some nuance is going to be removed from the final line, the pay-off, and i'm going to have another weekend ruined for me.

I've been writing for The Times for 15 years and i have never asked this before - i have never asked it of anyone i have written for - but I must insist, from now on, that i am sent a proof of every review i do, in pdf format, so i can check it for f**k-ups. and i must be sent it in good time in case changes are needed. It is the only way i can carry on in the job. And, just out of interest, I'd like whoever made that change to email me and tell me why. Tell me the exact reasoning which led you to remove that word from my copy.

Right,
Sorry to go on. Anger, real steaming f**king anger can make a man verbose.
All the best

I can't decide if these emails show Coren to be great or a bell-end. Imagine if he ever posted in Critique.

Genius.

I feel for him. It is really irritating when somebody takes something you have worked hard on and then ruins it with a bit of editing. Actors do it all the time. See if you can spot the word Guitar stuck in this to make it asolute nonsense. The editor saw a pic of a guitar and thought it needed adding. Amongst many other 'improvements'. Numpty!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2002/06/29/plog29.xml

Mind you, if his copy's anything like his email, I feel sorry for the poor sub who's got to turn it into English.

As much as I like Coren, he's done those excrable food shows with Sue Perkins so he hasn't got a great deal of credibility to begin with.

Giles is definately somebody I would talk to, especially if it got me closer to his sister:)

Quote: Sofa_Matt @ July 24 2008, 3:53 PM BST

Giles is definately somebody I would talk to, especially if it got me closer to his sister:)

I'd get closer to his sister in a cunning game of strip poker.

Lest we forget.

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She's a bit tasty at poker you know. You might just end up naked holding your shrivelling cock whilst she sits there fully clothed laughing at you. Thats the recurring dream I've been having at least.:(

Quote: Sofa_Matt @ July 24 2008, 4:02 PM BST

She's a bit tasty at poker you know. You might just end up naked holding your shrivelling cock whilst she sits there fully clothed laughing at you.

That actually sounds quite a turn on. :)

Quote: chipolata @ July 24 2008, 4:07 PM BST

That actually sounds quite a turn on. :)

:O Are you into humiliation then? You should post more of your work in critique ;)

Whoah. That's one angry writer.

And also a bit of a bell-end.

He does seem a bit of a cock but you have to give respect to anyone who gives someone such a well-done telling off.

And that's a fab picture of Victoria Coren you've found there Graham.

If t'were possible, I now love Giles EVEN MORE.

Quote: chipolata @ July 24 2008, 3:50 PM BST

As much as I like Coren, he's done those excrable food shows with Sue Perkins so he hasn't got a great deal of credibility to begin with.

Are you quite mad? Those shows were awesome!

I loved those shows!

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