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Quote: Bad dog @ July 3 2008, 4:43 PM BST

I'm not laughing. If Perry says this is what happened then I believe him. End of. As they say.

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See. I don't even know if it did happen. It may well have been a very realistic dream. All I said was it sparked an interest in the subject and I was interested in your views, and now I've been called a shiney-headed, David Icke-alike sexually-abused looney.

Quote: Griff @ July 3 2008, 4:50 PM BST

Hey Perry just because we're making feeble jokes about pandas doesn't mean we're attacking you, or at least, I'm not intending to. We're just having a laugh. Quite frankly I have no idea about aliens.

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Yeah I know I know.

I laugh at Jesus-freaks all the time so I've no room to talk.

To be fair you opened the conversation with:

"I believe in Aliens"

You then explained this belief was based on a dream you had as an 8 year old.

If i say i saw God at 8 years old would you be open minded?

Yes, I see what you're saying, Perry. I think it just comes down to whether people are open to things outside their experience, or outside the common concensus of opinion. Can one accept a possibility or not? Some people obviously can't and the very idea of whatever we may be discussing rattles the cage. Millions of people have had experiences of odd things, so that's a normal part of life to them.

Quote: Perry Nium @ July 3 2008, 4:49 PM BST

Sigh.

I sort of knew this would happen but it's still a bit sad. The subject always makes people react in one of two ways - open-minded interest or a compulsion to attack / ridicule the person who brought the subject up. Maybe it's just fear of the unknown or whatever.

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It's easy to point and laugh. It means you don't have to use your brain thinking of a constructive counter-argument.
And it has the added bonus that other people might laugh with you, making you one of the cool ones.

Quote: sootyj @ July 3 2008, 4:24 PM BST

The interesting thing about proof for God is it always makes him look like an arsehole.

Cancer ? No cure Holocaust ? Who cares?

But make a statue drink milk, or some Nun menstruate through her hands?

And woohoo he's there. Evidence for God makes him look like David Blaine.

Much as I'm an aetheist, think about the process's that go in to making you a cup of tea (From agriculture, to transport, to literacy etc).

And you see the chances of our world appearing from no where, as infintesimal.

Unless Aliens made it.

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I agree with you totally here.
I don't believe in the divine origins of the Bible, or prophets, or any such.
But you just have to wonder. The astonishingly intricate balance of the universe - if it's adjusted by so much as 0.0000000000000000000000001, the whole thing collapses.
And how everything came to be as it is, every single structure from the atomic to the cosmic, all inter-dependant. This has to be coincidence x coincidence 500 trillion squared. I can't help but feel there is intelligence behind this, though what its nature is, and whether its in the slightest bit bothered about us, I don't know.

Perry,

There is another explanation, for what you saw as am 8-year old. Perception plays strange tricks with one's mind, especially when just waking up. (Once when staying in a German hotel, the phone rang and woke me and the voice on the other end said: "It's a Battleship" and put the phone down. Later I worked out that it was my wake-up call and he had actually said: "Es ist Halb Acht" - "It is half to eight".)

So while aliens peering in your window is faintly possible, a far more likely scenario is that it was an inquisitive dog or similar animal. (Free-ranging Pandas also being somewhat unlikely )

Dogs do have big black eyes and are very inquisitive, I've often seen dogs peering into windows.

Or if your bedroom had no place for a dog to stand on outside the window, it might have been a skewed perception of the moon.

Quote: billwill @ July 3 2008, 5:17 PM BST

the phone rang and woke me and the voice on the other end said: "It's a Battleship" and put the phone down.

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Griff, I think you'll find something closer to real evidence when looking for UFOs than you will when looking for God. Even if it turns out not to be evidence at all, at least there's something concrete there which COULD potentially be evidence.

Quote: chipolata @ July 3 2008, 4:36 PM BST

After being sodomised by an angry panda, this is nothing!

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How do we know it was angry? I'd like to think it was quite gentle.

Quote: ian_w @ July 3 2008, 5:10 PM BST

And how everything came to be as it is, every single structure from the atomic to the cosmic, all inter-dependant. This has to be coincidence x coincidence 500 trillion squared. I can't help but feel there is intelligence behind this, though what its nature is, and whether its in the slightest bit bothered about us, I don't know.

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I think it's a coincidence, myself.
A very happy coincidence.

I don't know if it was in Fight Club or The Matrix, but there was a line about how we're just a lucky freak organism. Like a disease on the planet.

Not very cheerful but it kind of sums it up.

Quote: Bad dog @ July 3 2008, 5:31 PM BST

Even if it turns out not to be evidence at all, at least there's something concrete there which COULD potentially be evidence.

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lol - sounds like a cross between karl pilkington and the religious right!

Quote: ian_w @ July 3 2008, 5:10 PM BST

It's easy to point and laugh. It means you don't have to use your brain thinking of a constructive counter-argument.

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A counter to what? An alien looking in your window?

It was:

a) dream
b) human
c) animal

next?

Quote: zooo @ July 3 2008, 3:51 PM BST

Boring and relevant, or boring and irrelevant?
I would like to know which I am being, please!

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You're being open-minded. Unlike some...

Quote: chipolata @ July 3 2008, 4:00 PM BST

I really do think you're losing the argument when you start talking about there being no proof of God's existence to try and prove your case for UFO's. They are two completely seperate issues.

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UFOs*

Quote: sootyj @ July 3 2008, 4:13 PM BST

It'd be like us an Spider Monkeys. They'd eat us, f**k us, ignore us, or stick us in the Zoo.

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You can stick me in the Zooo any time.

Griff, it was Pete who brought God into it. Refer to his and zooo's posts earlier.

Quote: ian_w @ July 3 2008, 4:13 PM BST

It makes me laugh how people can say well they couldn't possibly do this because of this and that, like we know just about everything about the universe now.
Like they couldn't possibly travel such a great distance across space. That really is assuming an aweful lot. For starters how exactly are they travelling? We have absolutely no idea what space is made of, and therefore we have no clue how this 'substance' could be manipulated. We just think of travelling as in taking a ferry from Dover to Calias, cos, like with so many other things, that's all we know and all we can understand.
And how do we know it's a journey across space? What if string theory is right and there are many dimensions? And if according to this theory it's possible for gravitons to seep from one dimension to another, then why not other matter/energy/whatever?

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Amen to that.

Quote: Pete @ July 3 2008, 4:23 PM BST

Bit cocky for a man that saw a monster when he was 8 and still belives it!

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Pete, I'd like to offer you a challenge, if you're up for it?

Quote: Pete @ July 3 2008, 4:29 PM BST

"It was only years later when I saw the gray aliens on Close Encounters that I realised they were close to what I'd seen."

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grey*

Quote: chipolata @ July 3 2008, 4:30 PM BST

Poor Perry. In the space of one thread he's gone from upcoming comedy writer to bonkers loon with David Icke-lite delusions.

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Only to the obtuse.

Quote: Perry Nium @ July 3 2008, 4:49 PM BST

I sort of knew this would happen but it's still a bit sad. The subject always makes people react in one of two ways - open-minded interest or a compulsion to attack / ridicule the person who brought the subject up. Maybe it's just fear of the unknown or whatever.

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Don't worry Perry. There are 10 types of people in the world; those who think that they know everything, and those who accept that they don't.

Quote: Pete @ July 3 2008, 4:55 PM BST

If i say i saw God at 8 years old would you be open minded?

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Yes.