I'm not sure what evidence there is. OK, you can say every eye witness and abductee is lying, every piece of footage is faked etc. But apparently they have removed implants from abductees and the items removed appear not to have originated on earth.
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Quote: chipolata @ July 3 2008, 2:54 PM BSTIsn't the problem with all this alien stuff that there is not a single shred of verifiable evidence that anything extraterrestrial has ever visited this planet? That's not to say it's not out there, just that they've never popped over to say hello.
How do you know that there is no evidence? Just because you've not seen it, doesn't mean it's not there. As mentioned below, I'm sure there's stuff we're not told. And even assuming that there's no proof that they are visiting, there's no proof that they're not. We just can never be sure.
Quote: chipolata @ July 3 2008, 2:54 PM BSTAnd the idea that governments hush up any alien contact is frankly risible. Governments would fall over themselves to tell us about alien artefacts just to distract us from the lousy job they do in tackling crime and keeping the coast of living down.
Really depends on the nature of that contact. I'm sure that there are much worse things going on - extra-terrestrial or not - that they don't tell us about. In the 'grand scheme', those problems are pretty trivial day-to-day things. If they told us everything, we'd be scared shitless.
As far as I'm concerned, alien visitations are just as real as ghosts, leprechauns and porn stars' breasts.
Quote: sootyj @ July 3 2008, 3:01 PM BSTWhat's with such umbrage to the idea of moving energy? Is this a religious aversion/
And there are no better scientists then the pissed up hippy ones.
The concept of moving inefficent sacks of meat around the universe is silly. Especially when we know all human thought, conciousness is nought but bioelectrical impulses.
It would still take millions of years to get to earth sooty, even as light.
Quote: Griff @ July 3 2008, 3:04 PM BSTI'm fine with moving energy. Happens every time I charge my mobile phone or indeed pick a book up and put it on a higher shelf.
It's the concept of "becoming" energy that sounds dangerously like wishy-washy pub talk.
All your body is, is a support system for the bioelectrical impulses in your brain. That's who you are, do with out the body, and moving that energy is easy enough.
Talking about moving the actual body is like asking where do I hitch my horse on my BMW.
Quote: Bad dog @ July 3 2008, 3:06 PM BSTI'm not sure what evidence there is. OK, you can say every eye witness and abductee is lying, every piece of footage is faked etc. But apparently they have removed implants from abductees and the items removed appear not to have originated on earth.
I don't think they're lying, and I think a lot genuinely believe they were abducted, I just think there might be psychological reasons why they believe those things.
As for the implants, I can't comment on those because I'm not aware of them.
What about worm holes, or balck holes? Energy can travel a great many places, mere physical matter can't.
Quote: Aaron @ July 3 2008, 3:07 PM BSTHow do you know that there is no evidence? Just because you've not seen it, doesn't mean it's not there. As mentioned below, I'm sure there's stuff we're not told. And even assuming that there's no proof that they are visiting, there's no proof that they're not. We just can never be sure.
But surely the simplest explanation is nightmares etc. and the simplest one is usually right.
Quote: Aaron @ July 3 2008, 3:07 PM BSTReally depends on the nature of that contact. I'm sure that there are much worse things going on - extra-terrestrial or not - that they don't tell us about. In the 'grand scheme', those problems are pretty trivial day-to-day things. If they told us everything, we'd be scared shitless.
But government are rubbish at covering things up. Especially when they try to, it always leaks out.
Quote: Griff @ July 3 2008, 3:04 PM BSTI'm fine with moving energy. Happens every time I charge my mobile phone or indeed pick a book up and put it on a higher shelf.
LOL.
Quote: Simon Stratton @ July 3 2008, 3:12 PM BSTBut surely the simplest explanation is nightmares etc. and the simplest one is usually right.
Occam's Razor.
Quote: sootyj @ July 3 2008, 3:12 PM BSTWhat about worm holes, or balck holes? Energy can travel a great many places, mere physical matter can't.
It's the information that's important rather than the fact it's carried by energy. But yeah, maybe wormholes. Who knows?
Absolutely. The most unbelievable part of this is the idea of a super competent, super secret gouvernment.
I mean the CIA can't torture a few Ayrabs, and the President knob some fat bird with out it hitting the press.
It's hard to comment sometimes, because we are only aware of what we read or are told. We personally can't verify it.
From some of the footage I've seen and books I've read it's obvious that people aren't lying, but as you say, what are they experiencing? Are they interpreting something else as abductions? We're getting into stuff like false memory syndrome, where kids say they were raped by parents, and it never happened.
Quote: sootyj @ July 3 2008, 3:15 PM BSTAbsolutely. The most unbelievable part of this is the idea of a super competent, super secret gouvernment.
I mean the CIA can't torture a few Ayrabs, and the President knob some fat bird with out it hitting the press.
I totally agree.
Quote: Griff @ July 3 2008, 3:14 PM BSTDear God. I am not even going to respond to this.
Why not? You and I are just flickering patterns of electricty, the question is how do we move these flcikers.
Quote: Bad dog @ July 3 2008, 3:06 PM BSTBut apparently they have removed implants from abductees and the items removed appear not to have originated on earth.
Get a grip - people at NASA are getting hard because they found some trace of water on Mars...you don't think an implant from another planet would make the news a bit more?
Whats really funny is atheist alien believers - they don't want to know about something for which there is countless "witness" statements (a whole book of them in fact!) and billions of other believers yet they're OK with ET!
Quote: sootyj @ July 3 2008, 3:15 PM BSTI mean the CIA can't torture a few Ayrabs, and the President knob some fat bird with out it hitting the press.
Maybe thats the plan? Keep attention away from the REAL truth! spooooky!