Poor Elliot doesn't know who to argue with first
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Quote: Alan C @ June 16 2008, 6:03 PM BSTCause and effect - the Police are there to do OUR bidding. If we want a society where we tie their hands behind their backs and give more legal powers to the muggers than to the police then they will have to cope with it and be blamed once again.
That's the government rather than society. No one wants to actively restrict the police.
Quote: Alan C @ June 16 2008, 6:03 PM BSTForget the police it is OUR responsibility to treat people the way we treat ourselves and not to blame the police for not keeping them behind bars.
I don't blame the police. I blame a weakened court. They should punish people harder and longer.
Quote: Alan C @ June 16 2008, 6:03 PM BSTThe whole point of my argument is that the lines are becoming blurred and if an old woman gets mugged in the street in broad daylight it should be ALL of our problems not just the police.
Agreed. But that's the result of larger communities which are more divided. The communities are themselves divided by fear. But the larger communities get and the further people travel (less local schools, better transport, mass availability of cars) the less community spirit will serve to underline the actions of law enforcement.
Quote: Alan C @ June 16 2008, 6:08 PM BSTPoor Elliot doesn't know who to argue with first
You, apparently, Alan!
The reasons people want to mug and murder are at the root of society - not what happens to them once they do it.
Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ June 16 2008, 6:11 PM BSTYou, apparently, Alan!
Indeed
Quote: Aaron @ June 16 2008, 6:07 PM BSTNo, not directly, but it's inherent with their principles. And, more to the point, their policies on policing, human rights and the like - which were in manifestos.
Labour aren't actively against the police. Nor should the Human Rights of criminals prevent punishment. They have, however, failed to support the police. ASBO's have been ineffective. That could have been seen but seemed appropriate at the time.
Quote: Aaron @ June 16 2008, 6:07 PM BSTIn any case, I made no specific mention of the present Government. It's not in the past 12 months that the country's suddenly collapsed.
I know. I was talking about the discrepancies between party promises and actions that all parties are guilty of...
Quote: Alan C @ June 16 2008, 6:14 PM BSTThe reasons people want to mug and murder are at the root of society - not what happens to them once they do it.
I know. There has to be a two-fold reformation to challenge this problem. Social and legal change. The two aren't exclusive.
Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ June 16 2008, 6:11 PM BSTYou, apparently, Alan!
I come to this forum for light-hearted banter. Save me Robyn!
Quote: PhQnix @ June 16 2008, 6:16 PM BSTI come to this forum for light-hearted banter. Save me Robyn!
Relax, I'm done.
Elliot, did you think that ASBOs were a good idea?
Some soldiers get medals of honour - thugs get Asbos
Quote: Alan C @ June 16 2008, 6:14 PM BSTIndeed
I was going to think of an argument of my own, but the biology work is still looming over me.
Quote: PhQnix @ June 16 2008, 6:16 PM BSTI come to this forum for light-hearted banter. Save me Robyn!
I'm not sure how! I'll go get my cape.
Quote: Aaron @ June 16 2008, 6:17 PM BSTElliot, did you think that ASBOs were a good idea?
They were introduced in 1998. I was seven. I doubt my opinion was that well informed...
Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ June 16 2008, 6:19 PM BSTI was going to think of an argument of my own, but the biology work is still looming over me.
Just back me up. I'll reward you in the post-coup government. 
I'm not sure how! I'll go get my cape.
Wahey! Which one?
Quote: PhQnix @ June 16 2008, 6:20 PM BSTWahey! Which one?
The red one of course! This *is* crime fighting!
Quote: PhQnix @ June 16 2008, 6:20 PM BSTJust back me up. I'll reward you in the post-coup government.
You'd better! 
Quote: PhQnix @ June 16 2008, 6:20 PM BSTWahey! Which one?
Is it going to be WonderFloozy?
Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ June 16 2008, 6:21 PM BSTThe red one of course! This *is* crime fighting!
"Save me WonderFloozy" *swoons*
Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ June 16 2008, 6:21 PM BSTYou'd better!
How about Minister for Self-Deprecation? It's going to be a major part of my new world order.
Quote: PhQnix @ June 16 2008, 6:24 PM BST"Save me WonderFloozy" *swoons*
How about Minister for Self-Deprecation? It's going to be a major part of my new world order.
Sounds like a good enough title to me! Then again, what would I know? I'm only the future Minister for Self-Deprecation 
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Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ June 16 2008, 6:25 PM BST
Sounds like a good enough title to me! Then again, what would I know? I'm only the future Minister for Self-Deprecation