Obama stands a very good chance because McCain, although likeable and far superior to Bush, is still a tremendously weak candidate. His own party doesn't like him. He's old and looks old. And he supports a massively unpopular war and thinks the answer in Iraq is to send in yet more troops.
I wouldn't have called it a popular vote when Bush stole the election in 2000. September 11th was the best thing that could have happened to Ol' Dubya.
I really hope Obama wins. McCain's stance on the Iraq war makes me actually want to bang my head repeatedly against a table.
Quote: NickTheDon @ June 4 2008, 10:52 AM BSTI wouldn't have called it a popular vote when Bush stole the election in 2000. September 11th was the best thing that could have happened to Ol' Dubya.
I think it started off being the best thing to happen to him, but his reaction to it has meant that he leaves office as one of the most unpoular presidents ever. I think if 9/11 and Iraq had never come along we'd quite like Bush, seeing him as a lovable duffer.
Good news is I'm better and will officially become the democratic democrat of fish fingers.
Quote: EllieJP @ June 4 2008, 10:55 AM BSTGood news is I'm better and will officially become the democratic democrat of fish fingers.
Is that a filthy euphemism?
I'm going to go with..... yes.
Quote: PhQnix @ June 4 2008, 10:43 AM BSTControlled by media manipulation and political intrigue. Keep the population stupid and suppressed through poor education and feed them a diet of shit T.V. interspersed with 'Infotainment-style' news and suddenly political control is in the hands of a very select group of people. It's the same thing that happens over here really, just on a much grander scale.
What a ludicrous argument.
It's the electorate's own fault if they buy into the media hype and propaganda, and fail to look at the candidates' policies and beliefs themselves. The public aren't forced at gun-point by the news networks to vote for their preferred candidate. No matter the influence, or the eventual victor, it's still popular vote.
(Apart from the dodgy goings-on in Florida, as stated.)
Quote: Aaron @ June 4 2008, 11:15 AM BSTWhat a ludicrous argument.
It's the electorate's own fault if they buy into the media hype and propaganda, and fail to look at the candidates' policies and beliefs themselves. The public aren't forced at gun-point by the news networks to vote for their preferred candidate. No matter the influence, or the eventual victor, it's still popular vote.
It's the electorates own fault - to an extent. An uneducated populace will not look beyond the hype and they're kept uneducated by the government. That is definitely true. Elections hinge on style rather than substance and that side of politics it perpetuated by the media and politicians. It's still a popular vote, but it's castrated.
I actually still think Obama could win.
McCain really is ridiculously old. And named after chips.
The only problem is, if Obama wins, he'll probably get shot by some neo nazi. 
Obama could win. Whoever does, I reckon it'll be pretty close. I just don't believe he will, from what I'm hearing.
And yes, he would face a lot of problems which others really wouldn't in the same way!
Do you know what, I really don't care who wins. I have no interest in someone else's polititcs. I barely have in interest in our own.
I missed here yesterday evening! Have been walking around Trent Park all day today, having failed at Guitar Hero repeadtedly.
Quote: ian_w @ June 4 2008, 7:56 PM BSTDo you know what, I really don't care who wins. I have no interest in someone else's polititcs.
Quite. Whoever wins, the US will still hold exactly the same contemptuous, isolatory attitude to the rest of the world, so it doesn't make that much difference!
Erm...?
