Quote: EllieJP @ May 20 2008, 3:46 PM BSTI certainly couldn't afford to keep a child at the moment. I'd have to move back home and sponge off my Mum and Step-Dad. I don't want to bring up my child in an environment which isn't happy and where we're literally scraping to survive.
It's the emotional and physical aspect of bringing up a baby that is the most damaging to a mother.
Quote: EllieJP @ May 20 2008, 3:46 PM BSTI certainly couldn't afford to keep a child at the moment. I'd have to move back home and sponge off my Mum and Step-Dad. I don't want to bring up my child in an environment which isn't happy and where we're literally scraping to survive.
Although, I have to say, given the option, I'd rather be poor and alive, than dead.
See, Bad Dog, this is why we don't do serious in this manor.
Well, this is one of the big questions, isn't it.
Ok lets get serious then........
Some years ago my then girlfriend announced that she was pregnant, I was overjoyed, but a little way down the path she decided that she didn't want to be a mother, and that was that, there was no changing her mind. I was devastated but it was clear that my opinion counted for nothing and she went ahead with the termination.
I never forgave her and we split up some six months later. I am now married with a daughter of my own and have to confess that I am glad that I didnt come into this relationship with any 'baggage' (hate that term, but you know what I mean)that may have meant that I wouldn't be where I am in my life now.
So was abortion good for me or not? I still dont know.
One thing for sure though if you feel that abortion really is murder, then watch some Jeremy Kyle, sometimes it's the most humane option.
Quote: Alan Cornforth @ May 20 2008, 3:50 PM BSTIt's the emotional and physical aspect of bringing up a baby that is the most damaging to a mother.
Indeed. Something I haven't had to deal with, so I can't empathise, but I can most certainly sympathise.
My ideal situation would obviously be to be in a 2 parent steady relationship, where I can take time off work to bring up my child. Although with todays statistics I think I am in a 1 in 3 chance of being a single parent...for a while anyway. So surely making sure I'm financially stable before bringing a child into the world is a sensible decisison. Of course, I am educated enough and not stupid enough to have unprotected sex, but accidents do happen. If I am ever faced with the decision of whether to keep a child or have an abortion, I can honestly say I would have no idea what to do. I know the mental strain would be huge...and my heart will tell me to go against the sensible ideas in my head now.
I feel for any woman who has to go through this.
Quote: Sofa_Matt @ May 20 2008, 3:57 PM BSTOne thing for sure though if you feel that abortion really is murder, then watch some Jeremy Kyle, sometimes it's the most humane option.
LOOL.
Quote: sootyj @ May 20 2008, 12:45 PM BSTHe's not a religious leader, he views himself as a scientific prophet.
Even if he is the son of God.
That's a misquote. He said the son of the godhead, whatever that actually is.
Quote: M Lewis @ May 20 2008, 12:53 PM BSTwho remembers First Born and Chimera from the early 90's BBC. Gor and Chad, scared the hell out of me and i was 17!
They were brilliant!!
Quote: Sofa_Matt @ May 20 2008, 3:57 PM BSTI never forgave her and we split up some six months later. I am now married with a daughter of my own and have to confess that I am glad that I didnt come into this relationship with any 'baggage' (hate that term, but you know what I mean)that may have meant that I wouldn't be where I am in my life now.
So was abortion good for me or not? I still dont know.
I know what you mean. My wife had a miscarriage. A few months later, she became pregnant again, and nine months later our son was born. I cannot imagine life without my boy, but if Mrs Bandage hadn't lost the other baby we would never have had him.
You are where you are. Don't beat yourself up over where you might have been. Regretting the loss of one child doesn't mean you wish the other had never been born.
Didn't Chad ruin the US elections?
As long as abortion is legal, then we can have this debate, it doesn't work the other way.
And Drs do not have to agree to any abortion. Right now at 24 weeks, if there is not a very, very good reason you'll likely be refused.
Frankly that's where I want the decision made. Dr patient. Politicians are congenitally stupid, and weak.
Leave that shag secretaries, and order catalogue furniture.
Quote: Sofa_Matt @ May 20 2008, 3:57 PM BSTOk lets get serious then........
Some years ago my then girlfriend announced that she was pregnant, I was overjoyed, but a little way down the path she decided that she didn't want to be a mother, and that was that, there was no changing her mind. I was devastated but it was clear that my opinion counted for nothing and she went ahead with the termination.
I never forgave her and we split up some six months later. I am now married with a daughter of my own and have to confess that I am glad that I didnt come into this relationship with any 'baggage' (hate that term, but you know what I mean)that may have meant that I wouldn't be where I am in my life now.
So was abortion good for me or not? I still dont know.
One thing for sure though if you feel that abortion really is murder, then watch some Jeremy Kyle, sometimes it's the most humane option.
Man that must have been very tough at the time.
I really do feel sorry for blokes having no say in this. Of course I understand why it's left to the woman, but it's still terrible that a bloke has to wait for someone else to decide whether his (potential?) child lives or dies, and it is afterall his child as well.
I agree with you Ian. I would hope that I would be able to talk to my partner about this. Ideally, I would rather keep the baby I think if I was in a stable relationship. I totally agree that it's the right of the man to have a say in the future of his child.
Please stop this thread now. I hate Aaron for this.
Serious in which case I'll stop posting.
Quote: Graham Bandage @ May 20 2008, 4:23 PM BSTPlease stop this thread now. I hate Aaron for this.
I don't know if this is a joke or not?
Quote: ian_w @ May 20 2008, 4:11 PM BSTMan that must have been very tough at the time.
I really do feel sorry for blokes having no say in this. Of course I understand why it's left to the woman, but it's still terrible that a bloke has to wait for someone else to decide whether his (potential?) child lives or dies, and it is afterall his child as well.
Finding out about it 20 years later when you knew nothing about it in the first place is a bit easier to take I guess. That happened to me but my lifestyle dictated that I would end up without children anyway so I was thankful that I had no knowledge of the process.