I read the news today oh boy! Page 2,895

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 11th January 2025, 5:39 PM

You show yourselves up in your efforts to be pompous.
No one mentioned climate change or bigged up a car company.
It is comical though watching you bite and missing. Keep it up.

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So...:you actually meant BWM mass producing hydrogen cell powered cars is bad then?

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 9th January 2025, 7:59 AM

This global warming catastrophe is getting up my wick. -5°C this morning Brrrrr.

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Climate change , global warming- it's pretty much the same thing tbh

Better let the scientists know it's chilly this week in England so they must definitely be making it all up

Brrrr!

Quote: Lazzard @ 11th January 2025, 11:25 AM

That's like Victorians wanting to ban chimneys because men keep sending boys up them.
Unscrupulous people will always behave badly where there's money to be made.
That's capitalism.

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That's ok then. We can happily go on ignoring it. Indeed encouraging it.

We are constantly being told we shouldn't buy clothes from certain sources because of the poor working conditions, low wages and child labour used in their manufacture. But it's ok when it comes to car batteries?

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 12th January 2025, 8:55 AM

That's ok then. We can happily go on ignoring it. Indeed encouraging it.

We are constantly being told we shouldn't buy clothes from certain sources because of the poor working conditions, low wages and child labour used in their manufacture. But it's ok when it comes to car batteries?

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No it's not OK.
It needs sorting - but so do CO2 emissions.
Legislation is required to punish companies that use child labour anywhere in their supply line.
The EU are doing something about this - I don't know if the UK are
Of course, it would immediately be labeled as 'Anti-Growth' by certain partiers - but there you go
Omelettes /eggs.

It needs sorting - but so do CO2 emissions.

Have a word with China will you - and all the other massive polluters.
I'm all for cleaner air and a better environment but some are just not listening.

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 12th January 2025, 10:55 AM

Have a word with China will you - and all the other massive polluters.
I'm all for cleaner air and a better environment but some are just not listening.

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USA produces much more CO2 per head than China.
We produce much more CO2 per sq km than China.
Of course China produces more - it's fucking massive.
They're also further back on the curve than the Industrialised West.
Coal is set to peak next year and decline steadily afterwards.
Their Net Zero target is 2060 - which, in context, is more ambitious than ours.
Using then as an excuse to not bother is bollocks.

Amazing how statistics can always be manipulated to sound better than they are.
China are still building coal fired power stations at a gallop. A decrease in coal is not likely is it.
You're kidding yourself.

Don't get me wrong - they're not saints.
But it doesn't take anything away from my original point.
If your boat is sinking and you see someone not bailing fast enough, you don't put your bucket down.
The fact is, you don't believe the boat is sinking - pointing at China is just a smokescreen (excuse the pun).

The boat has been sinking since I was a boy, so try to forgive us sceptics, non-believers for doubting every claim.
Fool me once...etc.
One of the worst things about it is the terrified children, genuinely frightened that 'the end is nigh.
And maybe the believers preaching at every god given opportunity

It's the Anit-Net Zero Madness "preachers" you need to worry about.
Ask yourself whats driving them - and who's backing them.

It's easy to be sceptical when the affects are happening to other poor buggers thousands of miles away and not in your own backyard

Quote: lofthouse @ 12th January 2025, 4:26 PM

It's easy to be sceptical when the affects are happening to other poor buggers thousands of miles away and not in your own backyard

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Or 50 years away.

Quote: Lazzard @ 12th January 2025, 2:36 PM

It's the Anit-Net Zero Madness "preachers" you need to worry about.
Ask yourself whats driving them - and who's backing them.

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But not vice-versa?

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 12th January 2025, 5:13 PM

But not vice-versa?

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I think both sides of the argument have now been covered.

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 12th January 2025, 5:13 PM

But not vice-versa?

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No.
Because I trust scientists over industrialists.

Quote: Lazzard @ 12th January 2025, 9:35 PM

No.
Because I trust scientists over industrialists.

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Donald Trump's brazen pitch to 20 fossil-fuel heads for $1bn to aid his presidential campaign in return for promises of lucrative tax and regulatory favors is the "definition of corruption", a top Democrat investigating the issue has said.

"It certainly meets the definition of corruption as the founding fathers would have used the term," Senator Sheldon Whitehouse said in an interview about Trump's audacious $1bn request for big checks to top fossil-fuel executives that took place in April at his Mar-a-Lago club.

Whitehouse added: "The quid pro quo - so called - is so very evident ... I can't think of anything that matches this either in terms of the size of the bribe requested, or the brazenness of the linkages."

Fuck the planet - there's big bucks to be made and that's ALL that matters....