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Quote: Chris Hallam @ 16th December 2024, 7:02 AM

Most of those problems had nothing to do with EU membership (which did not, after all, begin in 2005!), hence why none of them have improved since.

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?? It all had to do with EU membership. 2004 I meant, the date Your Labour PM gave all EU citizens the right to live and work in UK. Net immigration rose from tens of thousands a year to 600k plus and rising every year since.

The chaos it caused us I have already listed. No other EU country was affected anywhere near as much because, as many of us warned but were fobbed off, they all wanted to come here, for the jobs, housing and benefits they wouldn't get in any other EU country.

Marks & Spencers now has some much red tape and extra paperwork due to brexit - they've had to buy a brand new warehouse, purely to store it all in!

(Bojo the clown said during the referendum, brexit would cut red tape and make trade easier)

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Quote: Billy Bunter @ 16th December 2024, 8:52 AM

Once again, although they clearly have no inside knowledge of what's going on (any more than I do), they're naively happy to go along with the party line without question.

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Not following any party line. It is a fact: the UK government is not currently negotiating to rejoin the EU. You are clearly lacking both inside and outside knowledge on this!

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 16th December 2024, 9:19 AM

?? It all had to do with EU membership. 2004 I meant, the date Your Labour PM gave all EU citizens the right to live and work in UK. Net immigration rose from tens of thousands a year to 600k plus and rising every year since.

The chaos it caused us I have already listed. No other EU country was affected anywhere near as much because, as many of us warned but were fobbed off, they all wanted to come here, for the jobs, housing and benefits they wouldn't get in any other EU country.

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Immigration did not suddenly rise dramatically after 2004.

The deal that was done was one of many that could have been done.
The Referendum itself did not specify the nature of the deal - just that we should leave the EU.
People voted Leave for all sorts of reason - some genuine, some spurious.
The deal we got was cobbled together in the face of a very troublesome wing of the party - The Brexit Spartans, as they like to call themselves- intent on getting the harshest Brexit possible.
Dreams of de-regulation, London as a sort of Singapore on Thames and a financial playground for the wealthy, curbing of workers rights and high-levels of food safety (red-tape as they liked top call it).
And yes - immigration was important for some people - as was "not having to follow EU laws" (though many were hard=pressed to name one and seemed ignorant of the fact that we had voted 'Yes' to 90% of them ourselves).
May and Boris wren't trying to do the best for the country ( Theresa had a go but was doomed to failure) they were holding the party together - even if that meant firing about 20 MPs to do so.
It was a bodged job as has now become evident - and about to get worse as certain delayed policies come into affect.
Starmer is just trying get a better deal - business is crying out for it and the general public seem onside.
And his majority means he hasn't got to play party politics and can just try and secure a better deal.
It'll be hard, but at least he's just negotiating with the EU - not half his party.

With the Royal Mail story, I don't know why we just don't open it right up and start taking bids on the UK as a whole - I'm sure Donald would be interested going halves with Elon, or a gaggle of Arab royalty chipping in together, can't be any worse than the shit we have running the country now and of late.

Land of No Hope or Glory, more like

To be honest, ir was flogged off ten years ago.
This is just a change of ownership

Quote: Chris Hallam @ 16th December 2024, 6:37 AM

We're out. We've left. Britain has been seriously and permanently damaged as a result. And nobody today is angrier about it than the people who voted for it.
Thanks a lot, Putin!

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Why on earth do you think that?

I don't believe anyone who says they regretted voting for Brexit.

I believe anyone who thinks it's been a success is a liar, or an idiot who simply doesn't know what the hell they're talking about

Name me one thing that has improved the UK since leaving the EU

Just one....?

LONDON -- The British public would vote by a sizable margin to rejoin the European Union if a new referendum was held, according to a nationwide poll.

The YouGov survey, carried out more than eight years after the U.K.'s Brexit vote, finds public support for rejoining in a hypothetical new referendum stands at 59 percent, with 41 percent saying they would be against joining the EU

Quote: lofthouse @ 16th December 2024, 7:50 PM

Name me one thing that has improved the UK since leaving the EU

Just one....?

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The joy of leavers listening to remoaners crying louder year after year

Quote: lofthouse @ 16th December 2024, 7:50 PM

Name me one thing that has improved the UK since leaving the EU

Just one....?

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Of course one could say the comparative speed of the COVID vaccination rollout.

But, if I may be so bold (and speaking as a non-Brexiteer), you are asking the wrong question.

The question should be: Name me one thing that should have improved the UK since leaving the EU if only MPs and ministers were competent and committed enough to use it to the country's advantage.

As I said back in 2019 when negotiations were still dragging on:

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 22nd March 2019, 10:17 PM

given what has happened (or not happened) over the last two and a half years, I have no confidence in Parliament being able to manage, amongst other things, Britain's post-Brexit legal system, trade deals, healthcare, security or the Irish border.

Since our own elected MPs are clearly no longer capable of running Britain, I have come to the conclusion that the only solution is for Britain to remain in the EU, thus enabling Parliament to continue to abdicate all its responsibilities to Brussels.

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Then again, given that we are only five years into what was obviously always going to be a long term project, you need also to factor in to your question: What advantages will have become evident in 10, 20, 30, 40 years' time?

Then come back and review the position in 40 years' time.

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Quote: Chappers @ 16th December 2024, 77:09 PM

Why on earth do you think that?

I don't believe anyone who says they regretted voting for Brexit.

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Why on Earth would anyone claim that they regretted voting for Brexit if they didn't genuinely regret it?

Quote: Chris Hallam @ 17th December 2024, 9:43 AM

Why on Earth would anyone claim that they regretted voting for Brexit if didn't genuinely regret it?

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Embarrassment?

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 16th December 2024, 8:13 PM

The joy of leavers listening to remoaners crying louder year after year

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Yes this is usually the stock response when any tangible benefits fail to be cited.
Whatever gets you through the night, I guess.