That isn't Brexit's fault, but our governments'. And the overwhelming damage to the fabric of our society and working people's economies was done by the EU, Brexit was the only remedy, but it can't suddenly undo what was done in 20 years of mass low skilled migration killing the average person's pay packet, while putting the cost of housing through the roof for most, and overwhelming the NHS. It can only help stop it getting any worse (if we have a government willing to do that).
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 27th November 2024, 8:46 AMAnd so what even if it has? What's more important, stopping your country collapsing with the unsustainable surge in population or what other countries who already dislike you think of you? 🤔
But it hasn't done that, has it?
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 27th November 2024, 9:28 AMThat isn't Brexit's fault, but our governments'. And the overwhelming damage to the fabric of our society and working people's economies was done by the EU, Brexit was the only remedy, but it can't suddenly undo what was done in 20 years of mass low skilled migration killing the average person's pay packet, while putting the cost of housing through the roof for most, and overwhelming the NHS. It can only help stop it getting any worse (if we have a government willing to do that).
Blaming the last Tory government? Okay...
We can blame the Tories in part - they messed up big time.
Now let's hear how bad Labour are doing in their first months.
I suspect I'll have to wait...
Well, they've deported more illegal immigrants than the Tories.
That should cheer everyone up.
The Tories were and are shit.
Quote: Lazzard @ 27th November 2024, 11:57 AMWell, they've deported more illegal immigrants than the Tories.
That should cheer everyone up.
Where do you get that?
Quote: Chappers @ 27th November 2024, 9:19 PMWhere do you get that?
Ever heard of something called the 'internet' ?
Quote: lofthouse @ 27th November 2024, 10:34 PMEver heard of something called the 'internet' ?
Well, of course, if you believe everything you read on there...
Quote: Lazzard @ 27th November 2024, 9:54 AMBut it hasn't done that, has it?
The graph you show is conveniently not stating the vast majority of that rise in non EU immigration is TEMPORARY, ie. on visas which will expire when they emigrate back to their own countries. Remember the Ukrainian refugees we agreed to let in (on Visas!)? There was also a huge post-Covid increase in number of temporary student visas for students and their families and short term working visas for health and care staff and others like lorry drivers needed to reboost the economy after the lockdowns.
If Covid hadn't have got in the way, the huge temporary rise in immigration wouldn't have happened, and the anti Brexiteers wouldn't have had the figures to skew.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 28th November 2024, 9:24 AMIf Covid hadn't have got in the way, the huge temporary rise in immigration wouldn't have happened, and the anti Brexiteers wouldn't have had the figures to skew.
I bet the Tories wished they'd thought of that when they were getting hammered on Net Migration figures just before the election.
😁
Also, Brexit related, funny how those who claimed that "immigrants pushing wages down" was one of the main *reasons* for voting Leave, are now screaming like scalded cats about the Minimum Wage going up.
Kemi Badenoch bragging yesterday that when THEY had a budget in March - there were no farmers protesting in Whitehall
Except these ones.......?
"LONDON, March 25 (Reuters) - A convoy of tractors protested outside Britain's parliament on Monday against post-Brexit trade deals and what they called substandard food imports in the latest demonstrations by farmers globally.
At least 50 tractors, many with Union Jack flags and signs such as "no farmers, no food, no future", took part in the protest outside the Houses of Parliament.
The farmers are demanding that the government enforce more accurate food labelling and take steps to improve the country's food security."
So just fifty tractors then...
She is awful - this is the tories Ed Miliband moment
Quote: Chappers @ 27th November 2024, 9:19 PMWhere do you get that?
A few different sources.
But so I'm not accused of bias...
https://www.gbnews.com/news/keir-starmer-three-record-breaking-flights-over-600-migrants-deported-nearly-10000-removed-since-election
Quote: Lazzard @ 28th November 2024, 10:59 AMA few different sources.
But so I'm not accused of bias... https://www.gbnews.com/news/keir-starmer-three-record-breaking-flights-over-600-migrants-deported-nearly-10000-removed-since-election
That's all well and good but he and his missus got free tickets for some pop concert blah blaaaaaaah blaaaaaaaaaaaa
Quote: lofthouse @ 27th November 2024, 10:34 PMEver heard of something called the 'internet' ?
Show me the "proof" then. Where have they sent them?
Quote: Lazzard @ 28th November 2024, 10:35 AMI bet the Tories wished they'd thought of that when they were getting hammered on Net Migration figures just before the election.
😁
Also, Brexit related, funny how those who claimed that "immigrants pushing wages down" was one of the main *reasons* for voting Leave, are now screaming like scalded cats about the Minimum Wage going up.
It's businesses that are screaming.
Quote: Lazzard @ 28th November 2024, 10:59 AMA few different sources.
But so I'm not accused of bias... https://www.gbnews.com/news/keir-starmer-three-record-breaking-flights-over-600-migrants-deported-nearly-10000-removed-since-election
But why did they object to the Tories plans to send them to Rwanda? Starmer is supposed to be an Arsenal supporter.