US election 2024 Page 44

Quote: Chris Hallam @ 8th November 2024, 6:09 PM

I'm going to backtrack.
Trump's victory was pretty big wasn't it?
He even won in the popular vote.
I was in denial before. Apologies!

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Not needed, but that's very gracious of you. 'Be nice if everyone on here was.

Meanwhile, following his 'shock re-election' tens of thousands of US citizens take to the streets to protest against democracy.

Quote: Lazzard @ 7th November 2024, 3:01 PM

Too late.
And I don't think we imported it.
We did this to ourselves.

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But in a way we still imported it, as the divisions have come mainly from mass immigration and the socio economic consequences of it.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 10th November 2024, 9:45 AM

But in a way we still imported it, as the divisions have come mainly from mass immigration and the socio economic consequences of it.

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I think your confusing that with Austerity.

I'd argue that the biggest factor in both the recent US and UK election was the economy. People have been suffering a cost of living crisis with high inflation, and in both elections voters punished the incumbents. In many ways Starmer and Trump rode the same waves of dissatisfaction to power, and both cases will be punished if the economy doesn't improve.

Quote: chipolata @ 10th November 2024, 10:15 AM

I'd argue that the biggest factor in both the recent US and UK election was the economy. People have been suffering a cost of living crisis with high inflation, and in both elections voters punished the incumbents. In many ways Starmer and Trump rode the same waves of dissatisfaction to power, and both cases will be punished if the economy doesn't improve.

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Absolutely spot on.

It was Biden that inherited an economic shit show from trump

"Trump left office with 3 million fewer jobs in the U.S. than when he took office, making Trump the only modern U.S. president to leave office with a smaller workforce .
Despite saying during the 2016 campaign he would eliminate the national debt in eight years, Trump as president approved large increases in government spending, as well as the 2017 tax cut. As a result, the federal budget deficit increased by almost 50%, to nearly $1 trillion (~$1.18 trillion in 2023) in 2019.[17] Under Trump, the U.S. national debt increased by 39%, reaching $27.75 trillion by the end of his term; the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio also hit a post-World War II high"

He ran the country like he does his businesses - into the ground

Quote: Lazzard @ 10th November 2024, 10:14 AM

I think your confusing that with Austerity.

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No I'm not, mass immigration caused Brexit, which has divided the nation a bit more than the Tories' economic austerity measures, I'd aver.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 10th November 2024, 8:17 PM

No I'm not, mass immigration caused Brexit, which has divided the nation a bit more than the Tories' economic austerity measures, I'd aver.

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I'd contest that joining the EU and the mass giveaway of powers without a referendum was the cause of Brexit!

Partly yes, but the much bigger issue it led to was the sudden flood of EU citizens choosing to come and make Britain their home from 2004 onwards when Blair immediately opened up the borders to them after the ridiculous EU free movement and right of residence ruling, while the other EU nations held back from it.

The damage done by half a million Europeans a year for the next 12 years taking our jobs and homes, was what millions of us voted OUT for, the Sovereignty issue exercised the politicians more than the masses imoo. Good evening.

Quote: chipolata @ 10th November 2024, 10:15 AM

I'd argue that the biggest factor in both the recent US and UK election was the economy. People have been suffering a cost of living crisis with high inflation, and in both elections voters punished the incumbents. In many ways Starmer and Trump rode the same waves of dissatisfaction to power, and both cases will be punished if the economy doesn't improve.

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Yes probably the biggest factor, with the Democrats having become the party of college grads and celebrity endorsements rather than the ex steel workers and car factory workers of the Rust Belt states. But right behind it was mass immigration with almost every state now feeling borderless. I'm told.

Trump has to deliver now, though, which is infinitely harder than whipping up ultra partisan crowds at maga rallies. His two big economic strategies are high risk and could backfire. Tariffs can end up sending prices of goods for ordinary Americans skyrocketing, and the price tag for mass immigration will be eye watering.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 10th November 2024, 9:45 AM

Not needed, but that's very gracious of you. 'Be nice if everyone on here was

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Thanks!

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 10th November 2024, 9:45 AM

Meanwhile, following his 'shock re-election' tens of thousands of US citizens take to the streets to protest against democracy.

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I've not heard this at all. But even if they are, they're still taking it far better and more graciously than the Trump team last time. Had Trump lost last week, they would doubtless now be fiercely contesting the outcome and working to overturn the result.

True, the Alpha male element of Trump's support is a loose cannon he can't easily reign in. A double edged sword for him, but as this is the last term he can serve they shouldn't be causing anymore trouble for him, unless ofcourse the his outstanding criminal trial goes against him.

Ah, I was attempting to make light of the anti Trump demos at the weekend. It's their democratic right to protest against the democratic process.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 12th November 2024, 7:08 AM

True, the Alpha male element of Trump's support is a loose cannon he can't easily reign in. A double edged sword for him, but as this is the last term he can serve they shouldn't be causing anymore trouble for him, unless ofcourse the his outstanding criminal trial goes against him.

Ah, I was attempting to make light of the anti Trump demos at the weekend. It's their democratic right to protest against the democratic process.

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Once he's in he'll probably change the law so he can do another term or stay there for life.

A defence industry insider has told the i newspaper of their anger at the reaction to the Republican's re-election in the UK and Europe saying that members of the Trump team believe the reaction "dismisses the fact that America voted convincingly for him and for change".

But, despite Keir Starmer and other Cabinet ministers scrambling to build bridges after his victory last week, others have reiterated their stance. Emily Thornberry, chairwoman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, stood by her previous claims that Mr Trump is a "racist" and a "sexual predator' while Sadiq Khan marked the election result by saying that "progress is not inevitable".

Meanwhile, there have been concerns in the EU about how the continent will deal with Mr Trump. An insider said: "That isn't the way to impress our closest security ally when there is work to be done; the world is getting more dangerous not less. He could easily switch away from Europe politically and say: 'look after yourselves on Ukraine' and so on."