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Does anyone here genuinely believe the world would be a safer place if Trump wins rather than Harris?
Trump is clearly a far more unstable and less intelligent figure than Harris. How can anyone here seriously deny this? We see evidence of it every day. He is clearly in serious mental decline. The warnings about Trump in 2016 were largely born out when he won office. He attempted to overturn a democratic election result in a violent attempted coup. Now he is openly encouraging violence, delivers rambling racist speeches and is threatening his political opponents. A large number of people who have worked alongside him now warn that he is extremely dangerous.
What more evidence do we need?

Yes of course

But it would be funnier if he won

Apparently...

You see, this failure to accept or believe that other people could possibly have different views from oneself and one's social circle, is exactly how we ended up with a Brexit referendum.

No we ended up with a Brexit referendum because the Tory party was completely split down the middle over Europe and they put party over country and held a referendum to make it all go away

Quote: lofthouse @ 18th October 2024, 7:17 PM

No we ended up with a Brexit referendum because the Tory party was completely split down the middle over Europe and they put party over country and held a referendum to make it all go away

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Very true. Tories were basically terrified of UKIP.

Excuses for 8 years. Billy was spot on.

Explain?
Not really an excuse as I didn't call the referendum myself. Just explaining why the Tories called it.

The Brexit vote was always going to be close
and not because half the people are racists or whatever ( but a bit of that for sure )
But who wants an extra incompetent Government above the incompetent one we already have.
Economically it hasn't been great, but Europe wouldn't want to make it seem that leaving the EU is a good idea, so we've been punished a bit
And it wasn't a good idea overall especially how divisive it's made the country

Trump on the other hand is a narcissistic possibly senile egomaniac who should never be in charge of anything apart from the apprentice Tv Show and whatever big hotels he wants to dabble in
He's hilarious yes , but not deliberately

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 18th October 2024, 6:32 PM

You see, this failure to accept or believe that other people could possibly have different views from oneself and one's social circle, is exactly how we ended up with a Brexit referendum.

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I wasn't why we had a Referendum.
That was al about Conservative Party internal politics.
It was why Remain lost, though.
The Tories running the show were far too confident and Labour vacated the field of battle.

So it wasn't the public that voted and decided.

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 19th October 2024, 12:23 PM

So it wasn't the public that voted and decided.

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That wasn't why we had the referendum, no.

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 19th October 2024, 12:23 PM

So it wasn't the public that voted and decided.

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Clearly it was.
Read my post again.

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 18th October 2024, 6:32 PM

You see, this failure to accept or believe that other people could possibly have different views from oneself and one's social circle, is exactly how we ended up with a Brexit referendum.

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Quote: Lazzard @ 19th October 2024, 12:04 PM

I wasn't why we had a Referendum.
It was why Remain lost, though.
The Tories running the show were far too confident

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Exactly. Exactly my point. Cameron held it because he wanted to shut up the dissenters once and for all. He would would never have called the referendum if he'd had any inkling that it was likely to result as it did. He could not conceive that not everybody thought like him and his inner circle. Hence my point.

Brexit + Trump foreign economic policy = absolute disaster for the U.K.

Well we're not in the EU anymore, so his anti EU policies surely can't affect us? If he were to be Pres again, which I just can't see, myself. Labour have sent a hundred staff to the US, all paid by British taxpayers to make sure he doesn't win, confirming they probably do intend to get us back in the EU, in some measure. Lefty loons.