Well, if sophistry can solve the world's problems, we're in safe hands.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 2,665
Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 26th September 2023, 8:49 AMFor the last 4 years mine has been c. 500 miles
I'm at 1,500 miles per month just to get to work and back. In about a month I'll be making a 2,700-mile round-trip drive to Florida and back. Not looking forward to it.
Quote: lofthouse @ 25th September 2023, 10:06 PMThey won't like this then...
"Labour would introduce a 20% VAT charge on private school fees "immediately" if it wins the next general election, meaning parents could have to pay higher charges in the next academic year, i reports."
That will "immediately" encourage students back into state schooling which may cost the country more. It takes away the competitive edge within the sector and loses foreign investment from overseas students. Why not get the NHS waiting lists down before creating more in state Education ? Why not just increase scholarships ? Sounds like more populism which will be reversed by the next Tory government.
Quote: Billy Bunter @ 26th September 2023, 9:48 AM... But, given that that is the case, I also ask you: what are you doing differently to, say, myself?
I cycle to work and recycle back.
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 11:17 AMWell, if sophistry can solve the world's problems, we're in safe hands.
Just stating the facts.
To use a horse racing analogy if I may, I would rather go on past form (in this case over the past 500,000 years) than be sold a tip by some chap in the car park from which he hopes to profit.
You have, in the past, said that you don't believe in conspiracy theories. I wonder why people have so readily accepted this one.
Because they get to call people 'climate deniers.
Whereas we can see it's a bit warmer in some places but sceptical of the doomsday predictions.
The scientific illiteracy is extraordinary.
With some people it's a case of "it's a bit warmer in my back yard, that's all" - Who cares if people thousands of miles away are burning to death or drowning in tsunamis or are having their villages demolished in mud slides etc etc
F**k them, I'm ok so that's all that matters
It's the typical right wing, selfish, uncaring, I'm alright - bollocks to everyone else attitude
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 1:45 PMThe scientific illiteracy is extraordinary.
I am not a scientist. But, then again, neither are you.
Quote: lofthouse @ 26th September 2023, 1:57 PMWith some people it's a case of "it's a bit warmer in my back yard, that's all" - Who cares if people thousands of miles away are burning to death or drowning in tsunamis or are having their villages demolished in mud slides etc etc
F**k them, I'm ok so that's all that matters
It's the typical right wing, selfish, uncaring, I'm alright - bollocks to everyone else attitude
Once again it's all down to hatred of political opponents.
And I do wish you would read my posts if you're going to comment on them. No-one's denying the climate is getting warmer. And no-one is unsympathetic to those affected. It's whether or not it is a natural upward gradient in the heating and the cooling of the planet, as has been the case throughout the last 500,000 years, or whether, for some reason, on this occasion, very conveniently for interested parties, it is humankind-induced. If you are convinced that it is humankind-induced (in the same way as you are convinced that the moon landing didn't happen) then provide the evidence that shows that to be irrevocably the case.
If there is no such evidence then surely it is better to keep all options open lest we go too far down the wrong route. As I said, at the end of the day, it makes little difference what I think anyway. I am not going out each day with the intention of warming the planet up so that people can suffer. And, as Lazzard said, we can do very little as individuals. I am merely sceptical about why we have come up with a new theory about why the planet is getting warmer when it has been happening regularly on a cycle for 500,000 years or more. Even during the industrial revolution, when you might have wanted to blame human intervention for any change in the climate, the regular cycle continued unabated. I find it very arrogant that humans now believe that they can outwit nature when it has managed fine for millions of years without us.
I wasn't commenting on your posts.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
And, Billy, can you not think of a group of interested parties who might benefit from a continued use of fossil-fuels?
The Greenhouse Effect has been known about for decades and decades.
No-one of any note disputes it.
Without Co2 the planet freezes - the greenhouse loses it's 'glass'.
Increased CO2 - the planet warms again.
This cycle has - over the millenia - been governed by changes in the earth's orbit.
We began introducing CO2 into the atmosphere during the Industrial revolution.
Conveniently for the deniers, the cycle was in the upswing at the time.
But the rise is out of all proportion - 5000 years worth of change will, at the current rate, take 100 years or so.
Even if it took 500, the flora & fauna of this planet will struggle to adapt like it has in the past, because evolution is slow.
That's the problem.
As stated before the Global South - where the worlds poorest live - will feel the effects first.
Putin has done more to put people off fossil fuel than anyone. Maybe if we give him a Nobile Prize he might stop the war ? He's the type to believe in whatever get's him what he wants.
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 2:46 PMhttps://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Of course, as ever, for every piece of "scientific evidence" there is a piece of scientific counter-evidence:
Let's leave it at that shall we?
Quote: Billy Bunter @ 26th September 2023, 5:05 PMLet's leave it at that shall we?
I'm sure you'd love to.
But I can't go before pointing out that your first link points to a famously de-bunked letter.
It was not signed by 500 "experts".
Of the 500, only 10 were climate scientists, a further 4 were meteorologists.
Signatories included many in unrelated academic fields like psychology, philosophy, archaeology, and law.
Plenty of geologists and engineers, many of whom work in the fossil-fuel industry.
Over 10% weren't even scientists eg Fintan Ryan, Retired Senior Airline Captain
The second link is to an article article by a neo-con, libertarian journalist with absolutely no scientific qualifications whatsoever.
To put together this piece he's just regurgitated stuff he's found on the internet - all of which can be debunked or dismissed at the click of a computer key.
Mine was from NASA.
Let's leave it at that.
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 6:37 PMI'm sure you'd love to.
But I can't go before pointing out that your first link points to a famously de-bunked letter.
It was not signed by 500 "experts".
Of the 500, only 10 were climate scientists, a further 4 were meteorologists.
Signatories included many in unrelated academic fields like psychology, philosophy, archaeology, and law.
Plenty of geologists and engineers, many of whom work in the fossil-fuel industry.
Over 10% weren't even scientists eg Fintan Ryan, Retired Senior Airline CaptainThe second link is to an article article by a neo-con, libertarian journalist with absolutely no scientific qualifications whatsoever.
To put together this piece he's just regurgitated stuff he's found on the internet - all of which can be debunked or dismissed at the click of a computer key.Mine was from NASA.
Let's leave it at that.
Nicely done...
How much of an obnoxious twat do you have to be to get cancelled by the likes of GB News??!
Oh yeah
Lawrence Fox