Quote: Billy Bunter @ 25th September 2023, 6:35 PMThat's very perceptive!
Of course I "and quite a few others" could say the same thing about yourself.
Evidence does seem to be on our side.
Although to be honest, I wish it wasn't.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 2,664
It's the apocalyptic nature of all the reports that raises doubt.
The big countries don't give a toss about it and carry on regardless with no noticeable effects.
But it does give alarmists another sense of superiority as is shown on here.
You seem very worried about other people having a sense of superiority.
You often mention it.
Quote: Lazzard @ 25th September 2023, 10:18 AMHear that sound?
It's the sound of very rich people laughing at how they've convinced very poor people to give them their money.
They won't like this then...
"Labour would introduce a 20% VAT charge on private school fees "immediately" if it wins the next general election, meaning parents could have to pay higher charges in the next academic year, i reports."
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 25th September 2023, 9:10 PMIt's the apocalyptic nature of all the reports that raises doubt.
The big countries don't give a toss about it and carry on regardless with no noticeable effects.
But it does give alarmists another sense of superiority as is shown on here.
Nothing superior there. Just saying the facts support the global warming argument. If the facts aren't supporting your arguments, perhaps time to rethink them.
It's a shame you can't moderate your tone. You are consistently the rudest person on here.
You are consistently the rudest person on here.
Thanks, I have stiff competition.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 25th September 2023, 7:16 PMEvidence does seem to be on our side.
Of course, speaking for myself (as I have to), I am not denying any evidence that the climate is warming up (although such evidence would need to cover more than "the last few decades" or "the last 13 years"). I have already accepted "we are on another upward gradient".
The question is whether it is a natural re-occurring phenomenon of nature (as it has been for the past 500,000 years) or whether, for some reason, after 500,000 years it is now, for the first time and very conveniently for interested parties, humankind-induced. And whether humankind is able, and indeed should be trying, to outwit nature, which has manged quite well without any help from us for millions of years.
At the end of the day, it makes no difference what I believe and whether I am in "serious denial". It's not as if I am going out every day trying to warm up the climate just to spite everyone else. I haven't flown since before covid (and then it was only one return trip a year to Europe) and my car's annual mileage between its most recent MOTs has been 2,000 miles. Which is probably more than can be said for most of the activists.
Spot on Billy.
Nobody disagrees with the 'fact that global temperatures have risen over the last years, that's a fact that can be proved.
It's not a fact that it is due entirely to raised carbon levels - that is a theory.
And, the projection that the planet will be destroyed unless drastic action is taken is also not a fact.
Quote: Billy Bunter @ 26th September 2023, 8:18 AMand my car's annual mileage between its most recent MOTs has been 2,000 miles.
For the last 4 years mine has been c. 500 miles - made no difference to my f**king insurance though, as effin' AXA have a minimum 2,500, so got a far cheaper quote from Tesco Bank, who do take into account low mileage usage. So, up yours AXA!!
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 26th September 2023, 8:43 AMAnd, the projection that the planet will be destroyed unless drastic action is taken is also not a fact.
Not the planet, no. Just the human race.
I'd be tempted to hedge my bets either way personally.
Ironically, the biggest issue for climate-change deniers is that the end result will be mass immigration from the Southern Hemisphere to the North.
It will make the small boats look like a drop in the ocean.
Life won't be destroyed.
But our way of life might be.
That reminded me of last week.
I had to go to a job in Birmingham and I noticed my fuel was on a quarter tank.
As I set off back, the low fuel light came on and the frightening ding ding from the screen sounded.
It was then I realised I had left my wallet at home and the money I always have in the change drawer had been 'borrowed by my wife.
The sat nav said 90 miles to go and the center screen said 67 miles left in the tank. Gulp.
I found by driving in eco mode the 67 moved up to 74 and at Sheffield the sat nav said 30 miles to go and the screen said 27 miles left.
Luckily there is a lot of downhill from there and as I got closer to home the screen was greater than the sat nav. Phew.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 26th September 2023, 9:00 AMNot the planet, no. Just the human race.
I'd be tempted to hedge my bets either way personally.
So exactly what are you doing by way of hedging those bets? And how does it differ to anything that I'm doing?
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 9:13 AMIronically, the biggest issue for climate-change deniers is that the end result will be mass immigration from the Southern Hemisphere to the North.
It will make the small boats look like a drop in the ocean.
Life won't be destroyed.
But our way of life might be.
Not sure why the Northern Hemisphere will be spared while the Southern Hemisphere becomes uninhabitable. I thought it was supposedly a world-wide problem.
But, given that that is the case, I also ask you: what are you doing differently to, say, myself?
Quote: Billy Bunter @ 26th September 2023, 9:48 AMNot sure why the Northern Hemisphere will be spared while the Southern Hemisphere becomes uninhabitable. I thought it was supposdly a world-wide problem.
But, given that that is the case, I also ask you: what are you doing differently to, say, myself?
Simply put, the tolerances are lower in the global south - they're scratching a living, food & water-wise as it is - it wouldn't take much to shift the balance into the negative.
Clearly, as individuals we can only do a little.
Which doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can.
The biggest impact we can make is vote for people who are going to pursue courses of action to mitigate the situation, rather than play the populist card so they can stay in power a little longer.
That and challege disinformation wherever & whenever we can.
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 10:31 AMClearly, as individuals we can only do a little.
So nothing different to me then.
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 10:31 AMThe biggest impact we can make is vote for people who are going to pursue courses of action to mitigate the situation, rather than play the populist card so they can stay in power a little longer.
So, as usual, it comes down to party politics.
Quote: Lazzard @ 26th September 2023, 10:31 AM...and challenge disinformation wherever & whenever we can.
Which, of course, is exactly what I'm attempting to do on this very thread.