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Quote: lofthouse @ 16th September 2023, 4:10 PM

BREAKING: Channel 4 confirms Russell Brand: In Plain Sight - A #Dispatches special.

Russell Brand has been accused of rape and sexual assaults by women who have broken their silence on alleged attacks between 2006 and 2013.

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My post on another thread applies here as well, to show I'm not picking on any one individual. Doesn't the fact this will destroy him whether any of it is proved to be true or not bother you? Do you not recall what happened to John Leslie even though he was found to be just a victim of rumour? Or does trial by media and social media trump the law and true justice? Once these exposes accuse a person of something, they're finished, guilty or not.

This isn't just one woman, it seems to be dozens, corroborated by yet more dozens of friends and families and people who've worked with him.
I strongly suggest you read the article I linked to in the Brand thread before you start even thinking of defending him.

You are completely missing my point zooo, I'm not defending anyone personally, I don't even know his work very well tbh, I'm defending the principle of a right to a fair trial, and this sort of public expose before a single charge has been made will make that impossible. In fact it very often even stops a criminal trial going ahead because no jury can be found who hasn't already been influenced by the trial by media's guilty verdict.

And hopefully this will lead to a trial. Sometimes making it public is the only way anything gets done, unfortunately. Blame the system that doesn't work.

Absolute Trial by TV.
They scraped the barrel with innuendo and inference.
To the point they threw in a Jimmy Saville connection.

Any shit they could dig up, they used.

Let it go to trial.

Lot of barmy people defending him, saying its because he's a "truth teller".
He's just another pedlar of old bollocks for money, like Alex Jones ( do I mean AlexJones? The online shock-jock who reckoned Sandy Hook was fall flag?).
He clearly preys on the gullible, whether it be for sex or You Tube dollars.

He is a f**king c**t

And he has gotten away with acting like a f**king c**t with women, because others have let him and turned a blind eye

When that woman was literally screaming her head off in terror and those yanks were stood outside and heard her and did NOTHING

Because , as one of them admitted to her years later- he was scared of him

Gutless f**king bastards

I hadn't really thought about it because panel and reality shows aren't my type of comedy but now I realise I haven't seen him in anything on TV for at least a decade, and am wondering if that's because no one in TV wants to be associated with him anymore. I had no idea he was making a living online now, although I'd read somewhere that he'd written several books, so was obviously cashing in on his name. But then that's what all professional entertainers do.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 16th September 2023, 8:32 PM

My post on another thread applies here as well, to show I'm not picking on any one individual. Doesn't the fact this will destroy him whether any of it is proved to be true or not bother you? Do you not recall what happened to John Leslie even though he was found to be just a victim of rumour? Or does trial by media and social media trump the law and true justice? Once these exposes accuse a person of something, they're finished, guilty or not.

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Nobody seriously thinks John Leslie was innocent. He wasn't destroyed. He got away with it. The scandal of our age is that it is still so difficult to push through a successful rape conviction. The conviction rate remains horrendously low. We must hope the same thing doesn't happen witth Brand and that the case goes to trial. There is clearly a very compelling case against him. Katherine Ryan deserves credit for keeping attention focused on this even in the face of the usual misogynistic abuse.

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 16th September 2023, 10:34 PM

Let it go to trial.

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Definitely.
That's why he's been accused now. So this can happen.

Quote: Chris Hallam @ 17th September 2023, 7:39 AM

Nobody seriously thinks John Leslie was innocent. He wasn't destroyed. He got away with it.....

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Innocent until proven guilty ? I'm no expert , but I'm guessing lawyers and judges have access to far more quality evidence and apply less bias than tabloid journalists. Hence the "cancel culture" surely is being driven by journalist and public opinion ? Just as Brexit was.

That said, Legal Aid has been cut from around a million case in 2009 to 130,000 in 2021. Surely class action suits are now the only option to most when challenging the rich and famous ? Going to press, often the only way to give other confidence to come forward and join the suit. Brand has the resources to sue for liable and the fan base to keep bias on his side (e.g. the Jonny Depp trial) so I'm guessing they had a strong case before going to press.

Quote: Firkin @ 17th September 2023, 11:27 AM

Innocent until proven guilty ? I'm no expert , but I'm guessing lawyers and judges have access to far more quality evidence and apply less bias than tabloid journalists. Hence the "cancel culture" surely is being driven by journalist and public opinion ? Just as Brexit was.

That said, Legal Aid has been cut from around a million case in 2009 to 130,000 in 2021. Surely class action suits are now the only option to most when challenging the rich and famous ? Going to press, often the only way to give other confidence to come forward and join the suit. Brand has the resources to sue for liable and the fan base to keep bias on his side (e.g. the Jonny Depp trial) so I'm guessing they had a strong case before going to press.

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The principle of "innocent until proven guilty" has never actually meant nobody is allowed to accuse anyone of committing a crime. Lots of people seem to misunderstand this.

Agreed, but your statements read like a judgement not an accusation "Every body knows" and "He got away with it".

Fair point. It just seemed like an odd example for them to pick.

Apparently he arrived at work wearing an Osama bin Laden costume at MTV the day after 9/11 - the very next day

He's just a grade A dick head

It's fantastic when twats like him finally get shown up for what they are

Karma

I bet we only know a tiny, tiny amount of what he has been up to for decades

Fair and balanced view.