Quote: lofthouse @ 20th July 2023, 5:24 PMI will believe Judge Kaplan - as he was presiding over the case
That's your prerogative. Hopefully, you're consistent in your belief when a judge and jury make a ruling that you don't agree with, politically.
Donald Trump:
indicted for fraudulent business practices
indicted for classified document theft
soon to be indicted for election interference in DC
soon to be indicted for election interference in Georgia
found liable for sexual assault
being sued in civil court for bank fraud
being sued in civil court for defamation
Biden : nothing
Your choice! If you choose the former out of those two - you have incredibly low standards
Personally my vote would never go to a serial liar and law breaker and someone who likes to "grab em by the pussy" whenever they feel like it
Quote: DaButt @ 20th July 2023, 4:48 PMI think every president for the last 30 years has been accused of rape and/or sexual assault; it's how politics are played these days. We're all the worse off because of it.
That most certainly is not true.
Trump has genuinely been indicted for sexual offences. That is not in dispute.
He is a unique case. He is a very dangerous person and about as unlike Obama as it is possible to be.
Donald Trump and his klansman father tried to prevent black people from renting apartments in their buildings. they got caught.
Donald Trump tried to scam students at his fake university. he got caught.
Donald Trump tried to cheat on his taxes. he got caught.
Donald Trump tried to steal money from a children's charity. he got caught.
Donald Trump tried to cover up hush money payments to a porn actress. he got caught.
Donald Trump stole classified war plans and stashed them in the shitter of his tacky golf motel. he got caught.
Donald Trump got caught trying to do an insurrection.
Donald Trump cheated on 1st wife Ivana Trump with Marla Maples.
Cheated on Marla Maples with C. Heller, J. Harth, K. Anderson and T. T. McDowell.
Then cheated on Melania Trump with Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels
Scum
Germany has gone into lockdown again.
Well, Berlin has.
There's a lion loose in the forest.
Apparently someone had seen it running down a road chasing a wild boar, but I reckon it was a guinea pig being chased by Tiddles
I'm in a weird mood this morning..............
Quote: DaButt @ 20th July 2023, 4:48 PMNope. But believe it if it jibes with your political views - after all, that's what these cases are all about: discrediting your political opponents.
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Bit of a dangerous viewpoint since you've saying no woman must ever be believed if she makes an allegation against a politician. You're essentially giiving powerful men a blank cheque to do whatever they want.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 20th July 2023, 8:04 PMThat most certainly is not true.
Biden, Trump, George W. Bush, Clinton, George H.W. Bush - off the top of my head, going back to 1989. I can't remember an Obama "scandal", but I'm sure accusations were made. That's the way power politics play out.
Quote: lofthouse @ 20th July 2023, 5:51 PMBiden : nothing
Except for the (at least) nine women who claim that Biden assaulted them.
Except for the claim that Biden has received millions via his son's sleazy dealings.
Except for the fact that (anti-gun) Biden managed to get his son's illegal purchase and possession of a handgun whitewashed.
Except for the fact that he's clearly in a mentally addled condition and still "running" the country.
Yeah, he's squeaky clean...
Quote: chipolata @ 21st July 2023, 2:52 PMBit of a dangerous viewpoint since you've saying no woman must ever be believed if she makes an allegation against a politician. You're essentially giiving powerful men a blank cheque to do whatever they want.
I never said such a thing, of course. But it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to grasp the fact that nothing is off-limits in the billion-dollar quest to become the most powerful person on the planet.
Both sexes are capable of sex crimes. Both sexes are capable of lying about sex crimes. As I've said, it's become de rigueur in high-level politics.
Quote: DaButt @ 21st July 2023, 4:09 PMBiden, Trump, George W. Bush, Clinton, George H.W. Bush - off the top of my head, going back to 1989. I can't remember an Obama "scandal", but I'm sure accusations were made. That's the way power politics play out.
Except for the (at least) nine women who claim that Biden assaulted them.
Except for the claim that Biden has received millions via his son's sleazy dealings.
Except for the fact that (anti-gun) Biden managed to get his son's illegal purchase and possession of a handgun whitewashed.
Except for the fact that he's clearly in a mentally addled condition and still "running" the country.
Yeah, he's squeaky clean...
I never said such a thing, of course. But it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to grasp the fact that nothing is off-limits in the billion-dollar quest to become the most powerful person on the planet.
Both sexes are capable of sex crimes. Both sexes are capable of lying about sex crimes. As I've said, it's become de rigueur in high-level politics.
Aside from (possibly) Clinton, none of those rwpr allegations had any merit at all.
There's nothing normal about a former president being indicted for sex offences.
It's totally unprecedented.
He's a disgrace.
Yes he is
But what is even more disgraceful is that the more his crimes are revealed and exposed - the more millions of idiots worship him
One of his pathetic followers likened Trump to Moses yesterday
Sorry I don't remember Moses sexually assaulting an innocent woman in the changing room of a department store
Trump is just an odious c*nt. - but it's his followers who i despise most
Gormless, classless, brainless moronic zombie-like fools
And the worse thing is they're obsessed with the man.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 21st July 2023, 8:29 PMAnd the worse thing is they're obsessed with the man.
It is quite important, you know?
Some people's obsessions go beyond normal on here though.
It's as if a teacher has said 'Write me 10 sentences about how much you hate a certain person.
'Finished sir.
Maybe set up an "Obsession" thread ?
There's an insightful piece from a Wagner soldier out today (pick your own source ). It gives insight to what the coupe was about. Given they're the best Russian force at war strategy, I'm guessing they're not so bad at propaganda. Putin's vulnerable , his days are numbered, surely ? But will what comes next be better ?
Quote: Firkin @ 23rd July 2023, 8:54 AMGiven they're the best Russian force at war strategy
There's nothing strategic about throwing wave after wave of convicts in suicidal charges for a year, only to gain a couple of square miles of territory. In a single year, 28% of Wagner's troops were killed, and 51% were wounded.
Putin certainly has plenty to worry about, but the chances of his replacement being peaceful and benevolent are almost zero.