It looks like the deal is done and that its one that will unify the country as both sides will hate it.
It was probably due to the mounting pressure on Daily Mail readers who are bored of it now plus they need to move onto their anti vax campaigning as they don't like fighting on two fronts at the same time in case they miss Countdown.
Fantastic!
We've finally finally managed to clinch a brand new trade deal. A trade deal that isn't any where near as good as the one we already have
Yay!!!!!!!
I'm just glad it's done.
At least the No Deal nutters didn't get their way.
Watching Boris claim "victory" will be a little tiresome - but at least we have a pandemic to take our minds off it.
Quote: lofthouse @ 24th December 2020, 10:46 AMFantastic!
We've finally finally managed to clinch a brand new trade deal. A trade deal that isn't any where near as good as the one we already have
Yay!!!!!!!
But allows us to have our own trade deals with more prosperous economies than the EU's now. Which should at least compensate for any loss on EU trade. As long as we haven't agreed to their Draconian penalty system for daring to be a competitor. If so, we'd be better off with no deal, yes. The world should be our lobster now (lobsters are actually more lucrative than oysters).
As long as those trade deals are better than we already had as a member of the EU.
On current performance, this seems unlikely.
Quote: Lazzard @ 24th December 2020, 1:52 PMAs long as those trade deals are better than we already had as a member of the EU.
On current performance, this seems unlikely.
I heard they weren't as good....
As far as I've read so far, which is the cursory listings of new trade deals signed, they've all been transferred over exactly as they were with the EU, so we've lost nothing at all, nor has the EU been undercut. But new deals we make with countries like the USA and Australia who don't have trade deals with the EU are bound to be much better than the tariffed WTO trade the EU has with them.
This is why the EU first tried to stop us leaving and then tried to tie us to their same laws even after we left. The EU will soon wake up to what they've lost and why they lost it. They didn't listen to the years of protest here at their taking the piss with their post Mastricht Treaty milking of us. They never thought we'd leave, proving how little regard they gave us.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 24th December 2020, 2:53 PM.... new deals we make with countries like the USA and Australia who don't have trade deals with the EU are bound to be much better....
Why better ? The EU is a bigger and more important trading partner with them ? What about the 10,000 lorries stuck at the French boarder ? France has a long track record of disrupting competitor's supply chains with questionable excuses. We've gifted them an advantage. Why is that better ?
Quote: Firkin @ 24th December 2020, 4:00 PMWhy better ?
Simply because they'll be tariff free.
Quote: Firkin @ 24th December 2020, 4:00 PMWhy better ? The EU is a bigger and more important trading partner with them
But doesn't have a trade deal with either country so all the goods are tariffed each way, making them expensive.
A large proportion of trade to and from the USA and the EU is with the UK, the EU's 2nd largest economy when we were in it. Now we're not, the EU's trade with them will consequently be smaller. We can now make trade deals with the USA without any tariffs at all, thereby making the EU an even less desirable trading partner for the USA. A major reason why the EU tried to stop us leaving.
Quote: Firkin @ 24th December 2020, 4:00 PMFrance has a long track record of disrupting competitor's supply chains with questionable excuses. We've gifted them an advantage.
There are other major trade routes with us and the EU, Felixtowe and Hull to Belgium and Holland and there are UK plans to enhance these and reduce Dover, Portsmouth and Southampton to France if the frogs get militant as they are prone to doing. But obviously much trade still depends on this route not being too disrupted.
Looking beyond the UKless EU Macron has to be very careful how vindictive he is with us, as he has a very disgruntled electorate becoming increasingly anti EU, with the Frexit inclined Marie Le Pen ready to take over in their next general election if she gets the opportunity. She and most of her supporters have expressed sympathy with the UK's vote to leave.
Albert you sound like you're standing over a detailed table map of Europe whilst having the legal info dissected by your legal team and then sent into your ear piece.
Personally speaking this stinks to high heaven, in both content and timing. I suspect its an appeasement that will appease no one, Like with the virus Bozo has taken stone cold facts and spun them to look good, but even he now knows that its a short respite as I doubt this will bear the analysis.
Basically we have all been given a jumper that doesn't fit as a present and there's no receipt in the bag so we can't take it back.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 24th December 2020, 8:14 AMPardon?
A QUARTER PAST THREE............!
JPMorgan probably know more about this sort of thing than any of us here.
JP Morgan's analysis was that the EU retained "nearly all of the advantages it derives from its trading relationship with the UK" but was now able "to use regulatory structures to cherry pick among the sectors where the UK had previously enjoyed advantages".
Never mind eh.
Don't forget to change your names from Jan 1st to 'rejoiners'
Apparently the Queen doesn't want to make Tony Blair a knight because she doesn't like him.
Understandable .But she seems to have forgotten that she will be the one holding the sword.