Head 2 Head

So the two privately educated men who want your vote for them to lead your country will face each other live on TV tonight. Now I know a lot of you have your opinions and most are pertinent.
However I fear a few have 'Gone down the rabbit hole' and as such are now only capable of regurgitating what they are being told at one extreme end or the other.

So before it starts would anyone like to state the following

What you expect them to say and what and the plus and minus factors?

And will there be a clear winner and who will it be?

For me

Corbyn will play the basics that have been workshopped so he will go with Schools NHS Fair play Fair pay and the notion that we can do better.
Tactics
A new policy to announce would be great as Johnson would have to answer that off the cuff and he is more than capable of saying anything as long as he deems it will come across as a negative for Corbyn.
Problems
Corbyn has a tendency to be dogmatic and unable to move to far away from his core Trotskyite beliefs which can unsettle middle England

Johnson will go for a few cliches and sound bites as he is weak on remembering facts (Even if there were any) He will go for ridicule of Corbyn and fail as Corbyn has already made a point of not personalising things. Johnson is a lightweight who studied enough of the classics to sound smart but his depth and eye for detail is very questionable.

Tactics
He will sneer at Corbyn in the hope to get the real 'Jezza' a two bob Lenin. And go with the outrageous promises he has been making, But not too much as that will have been anticipated and researched by his opponent.

Problems
He thinks he's Churchill and its his Achilles heel, if Corbyn can keep him on 21st century issues and away from sweeping hand gestures about abstract inferences to Empire and England that are designed to infer we're all way way to clever to have to have things explained to us. Johnson will falter big style.

For me Johnson has to win
Corbyn would love to win
And Corbyn is the most likely to win

Any takers?

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It's a hard call.

Corbyn is widely perceived as a raving commie while Boris is widely perceived as an absolute buffoon with a cabinet that includes some seriously right-wing right-wingers. (Do you see what I did there?)

In any election, people tend to vote for the party for which they've always voted, the actual candidate being of little relevance.

Television is, for most people, far more about entertainment than it is about education or information: accordingly, I think the comedic Boris is likely to prevail over the serious but sincere Corbyn.

Quote: Rood Eye @ 19th November 2019, 3:29 PM

It's a hard call.

Corbyn is widely perceived as a raving commie while Boris is widely perceived as an absolute buffoon with a cabinet that includes some seriously right-wing right-wingers.

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The current cabinet? Seriously right-wing? Maybe a time machine trip back to certain European countries in the 1930s would put that in perspective.

I doubt it !

The show would certainly not change anybody's mind on who to support.
But I did laugh at Boris's muttered witticism when Corbyn said Mr Johnson must have a money tree to do all the things he says.
Boris: You must have a money forest.

Steve Jezza should have pointed out that the money tree grows offshore and is usually found outside a bank that holds the dodged taxes .

Well that is two people i can't vote for!

No one believes a word that comes out of Johnson's mouth, yet they will still vote for him in their droves. He might genuinely believe he is born to rule (note not born to serve) and that the Royal family is 'beyond reproach' but people just want him to make the pain of Brexit uncertainty stop. He might have bizarrely answered every difficult question with a Trump like personal attack on Corbin, and even when directly questioned about his own personal ethics he answered with yet another attack on Corbin's obfuscation. but people will still say "oh well that's just Boris".

I thought Corbin actually edged the debate, which moved him on my scale from completely unelectable to just plain unelectable. He has the demeanour of someone who has just been sacked as a pall bearer because he was bringing everyone down. I can't help thinking that Tom Watson would have wiped the floor with Johnson and done it in such a way that he would have left everyone smiling including Boris!

The fundamental problem with it is it all tied in with democracy when in the advanced 21st Century we the unwashed public should have absolutely no say. Swinson wasn't there. Sturgeon wasn't there. Even Tommy Robinson wasn't there. For Christ's sake, where is the fairness from the television companies to those who rightly know that universal suffrage is out of date? Even the audience was staged. As soon as they clapped like monkeys immediately after the word "lacuna" it was clear that there was a sign above them saying "clap now". Less than 10% of them knew what the word meant.

In history, there have been very few party leaders that one could safely trust any further than one could throw them.

In 2019, the only one I'd be likely to trust is Jo Swinson.

Having said that, in the unlikely event she ever becomes Prime Minister, she will undoubtedly become as bent as the rest of them.

So what's a voter supposed to do?

I think Corbyn is a Trotskyite lunatic but I have no doubts about his integrity and I could name a few honest and sincere MPs on both sides. But just as cream rises to the top so does scum .

Corbyn's a democratic socialist demonised by a Tory press, who are scared to death of him. Sadly he's also anti EC.

Of course the performance of these two people in front of the tv cameras is irrelevant. Unless you happen to live in their respective constituencies, you won't be voting for either of them. This is not the USA and a re-run of Kennedy v Nixon.

And, as we know, it is becoming increasingly the norm that the leader of the party winning a general election ceases to be the leader of the party sooner rather than later. So the casting of a vote based on one's liking or disliking of the current leader is likely to be a vote cast entirely on the wrong premise.

It would just make my day/month/year if they both lost their seats, especially Braggart Boris.

The thing about Boris is that I'm absolutely sure he's at least 100 times smarter than he's ever appeared on TV.

If he's returned with a thumping great majority, he might go back to Downing Street, unzip his cuddly bear costume and step out as the devil incarnate!

Beaky I know he is being demonised , the Daily Maul are calling him an Anti Semite, They called his predecessors father a Jewish terrorist.
But to be fair I have also met the man and heard him speak and he is dogmatic.
I want Labour to win, I have no doubts about Corbyns integrity or his compassion especially when juxtaposed with the elitist buffoon and his herd of sociopaths.
But his dogmatic adherence to a failed ideal is his downfall for me.
If Keir Starmer was to take the hot seat with John McDonald as his rabid red chancellor that would suit me to the ground as its the balance we need. .