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Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ 21st August 2019, 8:12 PM

How many nationalities fought alongside us in WWII?

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Our own commonwealth countries, USA half way through and not a single European nation. Some fleeing Poles and French joined us after their nations were done in, a relative handful. Britain and USA freed Europe from Nazi occupation and rule. Hardly any Europeans fought with us. Italy, Romania, Germany fought against us, France helped them, Sweden supplied Germany with military grade materials, Spain gave them important bases, Switzerland laundered their money, Austria virtually became Germany, the low countries just put up the white flag. The Norwegians resisted the hardest and helped us the most, now a non EU nation.

We got little thanks from most of them for it, some seemed quite cross about it and most of them became closer to Germany after the war than us, who then started ruling over us in a thing which became the EU without us having a vote on it. We freed them from a domineering nation who then went on to rule Europe again.

I see that you never mentioned the Russian input which is strange as they lost more troops at Stalingrad than the total troop and civilian deaths of America and the UK for the entire war combined.

They never fought alongside us though, which was in your post. I took it to mean literally fighting hand in hand with us. They even signed a pact with Hitler first of all.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 21st August 2019, 9:00 PM

Our own commonwealth countries, USA half way through and not a single European nation. Some fleeing Poles and French joined us after their nations were done in, a relative handful. Britain and USA freed Europe from Nazi occupation and rule. Hardly any Europeans fought with us. Italy, Romania, Germany fought against us, France helped them, Sweden supplied Germany with military grade materials, Spain gave them important bases, Switzerland laundered their money, Austria virtually became Germany, the low countries just put up the white flag. The Norwegians resisted the hardest and helped us the most, now a non EU nation.

We got little thanks from most of them for it, some seemed quite cross about it and most of them became closer to Germany after the war than us, who then started ruling over us in a thing which became the EU without us having a vote on it. We freed them from a domineering nation who then went on to rule Europe again.

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To quote Alan Partridge interviewing Forbes McAllister, are you entirely motivated by hatred? Because this is almost hilariously bitter.

There were two geographical fronts that's why they never fought side by side.
However given that Brexit was sold as a total boon to free trade I am alarmed at how many references to war there are..
Can't you outline positives of Brexit instead you see none have been leaked so far so I would like to know your perspective on what we are gaining .

Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ 21st August 2019, 9:37 PM

There were two geographical fronts that's why they never fought side by side.

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Yes but they wouldn't have even entered the war if they hadn't been attacked themselves two years after the war started. They weren't interested in freeing Europe.

Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ 21st August 2019, 9:37 PM

However given that Brexit was sold as a total boon to free trade I am alarmed at how many references to war there are..
Can't you outline positives of Brexit instead you see none have been leaked so far so I would like to know your perspective on what we are gaining .

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I don't believe it was, I remember it was just as much about freeing ourselves from EU rule and getting our sovereignty back. The war references are about our political subordination to a body that its two controlling nations spent its history warring with us.

Why should they? I thought Europe was bad? Perhaps the Russians remembered the atrocities committed by the Whites during their revolution and didn't trust them.
Besides they already had the Ribbentrop Molotov agreement which wasn't breached until that point.
For their part the Americans never joined until the Japanese attacked them so I don't really see your point.

Lets get back to Brexit and its opportunities, I would like to see what you think they . That's no met be being sarcastic either as I am genuinely interested in what you personally see as the upside and if I see it that way I will answer honestly.

Yes that's easy. It will decrease the flood of unskilled immigration to UK that has flooded the labour market with cheap labour, keeping wage rises lower than inflation and taken great swathes of public and private housing stock to house them, which has led to a housing shortage for Brits, expensive houses for Brits, expensive rents for Brits.

It will help our over used NHS recover from serving so many EU citizens living off us.

It will help ease the damaging rise in crime which came in with the flood of immigrants. An alarming percentage of organised crime is carried out by foreign nationals living here.

It will mean our businesses will be rid of anti competitive trade laws made by the EU. As Lord Attenborough just said, why the hell should we be told how much we can charge for tomatoes?

It will do much to eradicate the black market in labour with damages our economy - workers being paid in cash and not paying any tax or NI.

It will mean we can set our own laws without them being overturned by people we can't even elect.

It will mean political freedom and sovereignty once again, to run our country as the government we elect wish.

I'll think of some more in a mo.

Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ 21st August 2019, 9:59 PM

For their part the Americans never joined until the Japanese attacked them so I don't really see your point.

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I did say they came in half way through. My point was Britain stood alone against the Nazi takeover of Europe until events forced the hand of others. Europe owes us a great deal. And they gave us such a crap one for Brexit, cheeky bastards.

Pritti Patel is second generation Ugandan Asian and has held meetings in the West Midlands telling people to vote for Brexit so that the Europeans are forced out and the Commonwealth Citizens can replace them so the only change there will be an Indian plumber instead of a Polish one.

In Spain alone over one million Brits use the Spanish Heath Service in a reciprocal agreement as do all EU countries, they treat us for free at the point of demand.

As for a flood of immigrants the percentage of EU citizens in this country is 5.7% and I fear than an immigrant is more likely to be the victim than the perpetrator.
. As for trade we will be under the WTO rules , in fact we will be the only country in the world operating under them, so if they're that good why isn't everyone else?

What particular laws are you referring to that we are currently not allowed to pass?

If you want to eradicate the Black Market then start with companies who employ via agencies and pay below the legal rates. Tesco Asda Morrisons etc all use workers who need Tax Credits to supplement their wages yet are allowed to post a profit for their Share Holders. Surely once the profit is established the tax given to supply the workforce should be returned. This is not about cash in hand its about people being exploited. I want to live in a country where a being a 'Gang Master' is a criminal offence not a career,

What do you mean by sovereignty? Whats your definition and is it reliant on Meghan Markle and Prince Andrew?

I'm just not getting it Alfred I'm sorry mate.

Nope, Tories are bringing in a points based system, skilled immigrants in demand at the forefront, unskilled labour at the back of the queue if needed at all. With a proper reinvestment by our own construction companies who've made a killing out of cheap EU labour putting up sub standard homes then young Brits can once again train in construction trades, no need for new Poles or Romanians many of who can't actually plumb at all. We've learnt most are not skilled they are just cheap labour who pick up the job on site and are crap at it.

I like most Brits live in Britain, I want to get good quick health care here not abroad.

Nope the crime stats show a different picture of foreign influenced crime gangs prevalent in some areas such as London Manchester etc. They bring in guns from East Europe.

WTO will only apply to those countries we don't strike a trade deal with. The EU won't allow us to have trade deals on our terms with anyone, until we're we are gone. Can't wait.

Many laws, one is we've been ruled to let our prisoners have a vote against present govt's wishes. many more like it.

that's not the black market, that's sharp practise by big companies. I don't know if Tories will stop that, they are not known for it. The black market is illegal working with no contracts paying zero tax zero NI, potentially zero health and safety endangering all.

Sovereignty for Her majesty's govt. to rule and govern as it pleases and has done ably for hundreds of years without following petty laws forced on it by overpaid Eurocrats.

No it has nothing to do with a pair of freeloading preachy hypocrites.

It won't be points it will be the amount of money a person has not their skills.

The Poles were ok in the Battle of Britain and right through the war, I like them they are hard working and as for them not being able to do their jobs I have no idea what you are basing that on?
As for good quick health care when I had a heart attack the people who helped me came from all over the world from the specialist to the cleaner and I was glad of all their help,
What crime stats are you referring to could you post a link please I must have been reading the wrong ones,
The Black Market is tiny compared to the likes of Mike Ashley and his 'Gang Masters' so when all the Europeans have gone you can have their non unionised labour with no rights and and an agency paymaster to ensure they are not responsible for anything that happens,
As for big tax avoidance you would need to see Jacob Reese Moggs Dublin based company about that, they're the experts.

In short Alfred I haven't heard enough to make me want to risk my medicine, as for stopping voting prisoners I doubt that is enough to change my mind.

Think about this then Teddy. Nobody is upset or against foreigners coming here to work if they have the relevant skills.
There are shortages of highly skilled workers in all sectors.
Try emigrating to another country - the USA or Australia for instance. You can if you meet their strict criteria. You can't if you just want to live there and mooch off the system
Why should all-comers just be able to arrive and set up camp draining resources that we all pay for from our income?
I read that 5 Million aliens have registered with the NHS - not that every one is a moocher but a lot have not put a penny in the system and actually come for the free treatment bonus. Meanwhile you have to wait month's years for a routine operation.

It's all connected.

Ste I agree wholeheartedly that mass immigration is damaging, its keeping people out of work and lowering the wage of those in it .
As for 'Aliens' my daughter lives in Barcelona and when she was ill she was given first class treatment , its a reciprocal arrangement that is being enjoyed by millions of Brits across Europe.
The NHS is being starved to make way for selling it to America so we have to pay for our medicine. This country has the money to have the NHS we need, it just doesn't want to do it.
As for the saviour of democracy Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the child from Manhattan , when he was the mayor of London he bought illegal water cannons to use on the public, what does that tell you about him?
Yes things are wrong and they need righting but I suspect the whole of Europe feels the same and we could take action regarding immigration.
So while your points valid we don't have to leave to do these things we just have to sit at the table and convince others to follow us, most will want to .l

Most of that is straight out of project fear.
'the Americans are going to take over the nhs '
The sky does appear to be falling down to the terrified remain voters.

Here's a thought for you... Everything will be just fine when we leave.