Quote: Lauren Smith @ 24th October 2017, 4:14 PMTold me to p*** off when I asked him to sit down.
It sounds like he was simply explaining what he wanted to do.
As far as 'kids getting worse' goes, this is something that has been said throughout all of history. What seems different now is that millennials, in particular, are receiving more abuse than ever before. Whether this abuse will become a self-fulfilling prophesy, yielding negative effects in their behaviour, remains to be seen.
Quote: Nogget @ 24th October 2017, 4:45 PMWhat seems different now is that millennials, in particular, are receiving more abuse than ever before.
Interesting point. But what sort of abuse and how do you measure it ? There are more measures in place these days to stop the worse kind of abuses. Shipley, Savil and Weinstine would struggle to get through as many victims now as they did 30 years ago. People are more aware and therefore more likely to report issues. Do you mean social media pressures ?
Quote: Lauren Smith @ 24th October 2017, 11:35 AMI teach year 2 and last week I was swore at and had a girl threaten to pee in my bin when I wouldn't let them go to the toilet.
Hi Lauren, welcome. My sister is a teacher of the same age group and it sounds like a tough job. Not something I could do because I would get fed up if anyone gave me some lip. It's not their fault though because they are just doing what they see at home so if a child is disrespectful and uses profanity it's no doubt because they see that out of school. It also depends on the circumstances when a pupil asks to use the toilet because if they are well behaved and will go quietly to not disrupt the class that should be ok but if they are known for playing up I would want to show them they can't have everything they want all the time. Maybe in your school you have to go with them and stand outside so there isn't a 6 year old wandering around the school and potentially hurting themselves or getting out so that is a factor as it's not fair on the other pupils. That's probably why schools adopt strict rules which the parents think are heavy handed but they're not the ones teaching them.
In my primary school I had the strictest teacher ever who would shout at you very loud if you were in trouble but she was also a fair and encouraging lady. If you needed to go to the toilet you would raise your hand and say "may I go to the toilet please?" and she would give a nod. If you asked her "Can I go to the toilet please?" she would always respond with "I don't know, can you?" She was a stickler for people using the word 'may' and not 'can'.
When I started upper school we were told if we needed the toilet to not ask and just leave quietly which caused the least disruption and the teachers didn't care if you were just bunking off as long as you didn't disrupt the class.
This is also the ideal place to destress as well. And vin.
Quote: Definitely Tarby @ 24th October 2017, 9:51 PMHi Lauren, welcome. My sister is a teacher of the same age group and it sounds like a tough job. Not something I could do because I would get fed up if anyone gave me some lip. It's not their fault though because they are just doing what they see at home so if a child is disrespectful and uses profanity it's no doubt because they see that out of school. It also depends on the circumstances when a pupil asks to use the toilet because if they are well behaved and will go quietly to not disrupt the class that should be ok but if they are known for playing up I would want to show them they can't have everything they want all the time. Maybe in your school you have to go with them and stand outside so there isn't a 6 year old wandering around the school and potentially hurting themselves or getting out so that is a factor as it's not fair on the other pupils. That's probably why schools adopt strict rules which the parents think are heavy handed but they're not the ones teaching them.
In my primary school I had the strictest teacher ever who would shout at you very loud if you were in trouble but she was also a fair and encouraging lady. If you needed to go to the toilet you would raise your hand and say "may I go to the toilet please?" and she would give a nod. If you asked her "Can I go to the toilet please?" she would always respond with "I don't know, can you?" She was a stickler for people using the word 'may' and not 'can'.
When I started upper school we were told if we needed the toilet to not ask and just leave quietly which caused the least disruption and the teachers didn't care if you were just bunking off as long as you didn't disrupt the class.
This is also the ideal place to destress as well. And vin.
Totally agree. Children are often desperate for a wee but because they gave failed to go at break and lunch.
I remember at the end of last year we had an afternoon long assembly. Before walking the kids to the hall I gave them a chance to use the toilet.2 minutes later a girl claimed she was bursting. I said it's too bad and she spent the afternoon bouncing up and down in her chair.
yea, i think so. They are getting spoiled by free use of technology and also by their parents.
Quote: Lauren Smith @ 25th October 2017, 7:56 AMShe spent the afternoon bouncing up and down in her chair.
A six year old spending the afternoon desperate for the toilet so not able to concentrate on anything? That seems rather cruel and draconian. Maybe teaching isn't for you.
Quote: Definitely Tarby @ 25th October 2017, 10:06 PMA six year old spending the afternoon desperate for the toilet so not able to concentrate on anything? That seems rather cruel and draconian. Maybe teaching isn't for you.
My feelings exactly.
Quote: DaButt @ 25th October 2017, 10:12 PMMy feelings exactly.
I'm wondering if there's some same IP/multiple accounts shenanigans because of the similarities 
Quote: Definitely Tarby @ 25th October 2017, 10:06 PMA six year old spending the afternoon desperate for the toilet so not able to concentrate on anything? That seems rather cruel and draconian. Maybe teaching isn't for you.
Pshh. It was a school assembly. They are invariably such fiddle-faddle that there is nothing worth concentrating on. Teaching a kid to learn to use correct times for toilet breaks is neither cruel nor draconian. Maybe commenting on posts by frustrated teachers isn't for you.
Sometimes people don't NEED the toilet at playtime. Basic biology. Why is it only primary school teachers who forget this?
Quote: Kenneth @ 26th October 2017, 3:17 AMTeaching a kid to learn to use correct times for toilet breaks is neither cruel nor draconian.
There is only one correct time for a toilet break: when you need one. It's simple biology/physiology.
Forcing a small child to fight for hours against the humiliating possibility of soiling themselves in front of their classmates is inhumane. Anyone who thinks it's a just punishment for having the audacity to need to use the toilet outside of "the correct times" shouldn't be teaching small children.
Lauren your story is inconsistent.
Quote: Lauren Smith @ 24th October 2017, 11:35 AMI teach year 2 and last week I was swore at and had a girl threaten to pee
Quote: Lauren Smith @ 24th October 2017, 4:14 PMTold me to p*** off when I asked him to sit down.
You have to let kids go to the toilet Lauren, it is just common decency and common sence.
They were two different incidents finkin.
As for the toilet, teachers cannot just stroll out when they need to wee. If holding it during lessons is uncomfortable they will remember to go at break. A s long as I don't have to mop up a puddle I don't care.
I think someone is taking the piss...
Quote: DaButt @ 26th October 2017, 4:17 AMThere is only one correct time for a toilet break: when you need one. It's simple biology/physiology.
Forcing a small child to fight for hours against the humiliating possibility of soiling themselves in front of their classmates is inhumane. Anyone who thinks it's a just punishment for having the audacity to need to use the toilet outside of "the correct times" shouldn't be teaching small children.
Precisely. I was on a flight from Asgard to Camelot last week when the pilot needed to pee. The co-pilot needed to pee at the same time, so they both got up and went to the toilets. Then autopilot failed and no one was in the cockpit to correct the settings, so the plane crashed and we all died. Thank goodness those pilots did not suffer any bladder discomfort in their final moments though. That's what's important.
Also last week, I was standing in for the absent lead singer of Australian rock band AC/DC, at a concert in the Garden of Eden, when halfway through the song Highway to Hell, I felt like having a pee. So I just dropped the mic, went offstage and had a pee. The rest of the band was furious and fired me. I should sue those cruel, draconian bastards for not placing my biological/physiological needs above their rock-gods reputation.
Last Wednesday, I was performing open heart surgery on a patient. Very tricky business. I was in the process of grafting an artery, when I decided to go for a pee. When I returned, the patient was dead. Selfish bastard.
Anyone who disagrees with my opinion has lost the debate and has no right to exist.