Quote: DaButt @ 11th June 2017, 4:35 PMIt most certainly is a religious conflict. Read the charter of Hamas, if you can stomach the antisemitism that drips from every page.
Here's a sample: "Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. May the cowards never sleep."
Also: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."
Jesus, Da Butt where to start - you don't seem to know anything about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Hamas is for sure a fanatical Islamist group, but they weren't formed until 1988 and the Israeli/Palestine conflict dates back to 1947 when Palestine, which had been under British 'rule' was partitioned to create a Jewish state in Palestine. The Jews expanded their state by war in 1948 and in 1967 and illegally occupy 80% of Palestinian land. There are almost 5 million Arab refugees.
Hamas incidentally was enabled and funded by the Israeli secret service, as a means of de-stabilising the PLO. It didn't become the government of Palestine till 2006 with 44% of the vote. They represent the Palestinian people to about the same degree Donald Trump represents the American people.
The occupation is illegal under international law (you cannot expand your borders by war) and is enforced by violence, segregation, house demolition, torture, summary executions and human rights violations too numerous to mention. The conflict is territorial and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
Quote: DaButt @ 11th June 2017, 4:51 PMWe'd fight, but not like the Palestinians do.
We wouldn't kill Mexican civilians in a church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Jerusalem_synagogue_attack
We wouldn't execute crippled, elderly Mexican tourists because of their religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Klinghoffer
We wouldn't massacre Mexican civilians at a 12-year-old girl's party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Mitzvah_massacre
We wouldn't use suicide bombings against Mexican civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshivat_Beit_Yisrael_massacre
We wouldn't blow up a bus filled with Mexican civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizengoff_Street_bus_bombing
We wouldn't murder a sleeping Mexican family in their beds, nor would we decapitate a 3-month-old baby. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack
Do you get the picture?
The Israelis killed 2200 Palestinians on their own land in 51 days in 2014, including 490 children. There are more UN human rights council violations recorded against Israel since 2006 than all the other countries of the world piled together. Israel has broken the Geneva Convention every year since 1967. Take a look at Amnesty or Human Rights Watch or B'T Selem, if you think non-Jewish sources are biased.
Israeli sniper fatally shoots 22-year-old Palestinian who posed no danger at a-Nabi Saleh weekly protest http://www.btselem.org/firearms/20170612_killing_of_sabaa_ubeid_in_nabi_saleh
Israeli police shoot and kill 16-year-old girl who brandished a knife at them, but did not pose a real danger to them http://www.btselem.org/firearms/20170510_killing_of_fatimah_hjeiji
Israeli military fires shells at Palestinians near Gaza perimeter fence, killing a 15-year-old and injuring another man http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20170504_killing_of_yusef_abu_athrah
Israeli Border Police kill Siham Nimer in unjustified shooting after she brandished scissors at them http://www.btselem.org/firearms/20170404_killing_of_siham_nimer
Unjustified gunfire by Border Police officer during protest in Tuqu': 17-year-old fatally shot with 0.22-inch caliber bullets http://www.btselem.org/firearms/20170307_killing_of_qusai_al_amur
Israeli soldier shoots and kills 19-year-old Palestinian who posed no danger, Kafr 'Aqab http://www.btselem.org/firearms/20170205_killing_of_ahmad_kharubi
Israeli security forces shot and killed youth aged 17 while he was fleeing from the scene http://www.btselem.org/firearms/20170123_killing_of_ahmad_zidani
That's just from this year.
I've only included the murder - in the same time frame they've uprooted 1160 olive trees on private land, poisoned arable land, smashed up a print shop, assaulted children and women, strip searched two families in their own home, demolished several homes, kidnapped and detained children, denied a child medical help, leading to his death. All of this took place on Palestinian land.
