DaButt
Tuesday 14th June 2016 1:01pm [Edited]
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Quote: sootyj @ 14th June 2016, 8:16 AM BST
Lets assume the shooter had say only a pistol, or a pistol or carbine that held maybe less than 10 bullets?
As I've said before, it takes about one second to drop an empty mag and insert a new one and continue firing, and in that one second it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to try to attack the shooter. They're going to be running for the exits or cowering on the floor.
Magazine capacity limits are useless in preventing deaths. The majority of today's pistols come with magazines which hold more than 10 rounds (mine holds 17) and there's no way to get the genie back into the bottle when there are hundreds of of millions of pistols and magazines already on the street.
Quote: sootyj @ 14th June 2016, 8:16 AM BST
Or if he owned a carbine he had to keep it securely locked up at a gun range, or maybe just didn't get a license because or a license for such a "potent" weapon. Because he needed a more advanced license for it and maybe had to show he had just cause for such a thing?
I use my AR-15 for hunting. Why should I have to keep it locked away at a gun range?
One constant in America's ever-growing gun laws is that cops, retired cops and politicians are exempt from the rules. The reason is clear: politicians don't want to be constrained by the same rules as their constituents, and they need cops and their powerful unions (NRA, anyone?) to support the new laws. Here's a newsflash: cops, off-duty cops and retired cops commit gun crimes and murders just like the unwashed masses. Why should they be exempt from legislation?
It should be noted that the Orlando shooter had a degree in criminal justice and attended a police academy. He was highly trained and passed multiple background tests and psychological evaluations. He possessed a valid license to carry and was licensed in Florida to serve as an armed security guard. Stricter licensing would have done nothing to stop him from going on his rampage.
Quote: sootyj @ 14th June 2016, 8:16 AM BST
That gun was just an innocent bystander, my mistake.
That's absolutely correct. Guns don't shoot people any more than forks make people fat. They're just inanimate hunks of plastic and metal that are completely harmless on their own.
Quote: Lazzard @ 14th June 2016, 10:04 AM BST
We don't want to take your gun away.
Maybe you don't, but many politicians do. They insist they don't, but when they're on the record as wanting to ban handguns and semi-automatic rifles (as is our current president) and continuously point to Australia (mandatory confiscation with threats of jail for noncompliance) as a reasonable solution, then it's clear that they actually do want to take our guns away.
Quote: Lazzard @ 14th June 2016, 10:04 AM BST
Just make you wait a fortnight for it
Explain to a woman who is being stalked by a violent ex why she has to wait 2 weeks to exercise her constitutional right to self-protection. Perhaps in the meantime the government could provide her with armed bodyguards 24/7 like the politicians who enact such useless and ridiculous laws.
Waiting periods would only work in the rare cases where someone wants to commit suicide spontaneously and without much thought. What are the chances that such a person would hop in the car and drive down to a gun dealer and spend $600+ for a handgun when they could just jump off a bridge or swallow a handful of pills?
Quote: Lazzard @ 14th June 2016, 10:04 AM BST
And I love the idea of the people in the club being armed.
They're gay FFS they just want to party, listen to Judy Garland records and live in peace.
They're not exactly 'good old boys'.
I have gay friends and family members and many of them own guns. They're just regular people with regular interests in hunting, target shooting and self-protection.
There's actually a nationwide LGBT organization called The Pink Pistols which promotes gun rights and carrying for self-defence. Here's their statement about Orlando:
Gwendolyn Patton, First Speaker of the Pink Pistols, an international GLBT self-defence organization, warns people not to jump immediately to the assailant's guns as the object of blame, but to concentrate instead on Mateen's violent acts. "The Pink Pistols gives condolences to all family and friends of those killed and injured at Pulse," began Patton. "This is exactly the kind of heinous act that justifies our existence. At such a time of tragedy, let us not reach for the low-hanging fruit of blaming the killer's guns. Let us stay focused on the fact that someone hated gay people so much they were ready to kill or injure so many. A human being did this. The human being's tools are unimportant when compared to the bleakness of that person's soul. I say again, GUNS did not do this. A human being did this, a dead human being. Our job now is not to demonize the man's tools, but to condemn his acts and work to prevent such acts in the future."
Patton's concerns are that knee-jerk gun-control efforts may make preventing future events harder rather than easier, as only the law-abiding potential victims will be affected by such laws. "It is difficult, if not impossible, to foresee such an event," continues Patton, "But if they cannot be prevented, then they must be stopped as fast as someone tries to start them."
Quote: Lazzard @ 14th June 2016, 10:04 AM BST
the way they scream for the Muslim church to distance itself from the nut-jobs who hi-jack their peace-loving religion to fulfil their squalid fantasies.
Let's not pretend that anti-gay feelings don't run strongly through Islam, the Koran says that gays should be put to death. That's Shariah law for ya.
Here's a map of entire countries where homosexuality is punishable by death:
Quote: sootyj @ 14th June 2016, 10:55 AM BST
In countries like Holland or Japan where the police are armed but citizens aren't. The police don't merrily gun people down, because the justification would be almost none existent.
I don't think you'll find that American cops "merrily" gun people down, they shoot when their lives, or the lives of others, are in danger. And I don't think you'd find any armed cop in Holland, Japan, the UK or anywhere else who wouldn't do the same.
