Quote: sootyj @ March 1, 2008, 11:06 PMIn one stroke you have entirely ruined my plot to find an acceptable scape goat. Bah back the drawing board. ANy one here like Hitler?
He did a lot for the gas oven Industry.
Race. Society. Prejudice. PC. Page 2
Quote: zooo @ March 1, 2008, 10:36 PMI don't think so. It's hardly worse than nazism, is it.
Ohh, I dunno about that. Obviously political correctness doesn't advocate the eradication of the Jews, but IMO it is more dangerous. The Nazis had/have set principles and beliefs which they intend/ed to implement point-blank. Political correctness has snuck up on us and has made far more long-term and damaging changes to society. It's rendered completely innocent activities, traditions and sayings (I could go on) off-limits, inappropriate, banned at times, and generally frowned upon. And yet it has no central base to argue against. At least with the Nazis they have beliefs and attitudes that can be argued against and ultimately ridiculed. PC's strength is that there is nothing to argue with.
Quote: zooo @ March 1, 2008, 10:36 PMPC came from a good place, but has morphed into something ridiculous and potentially dangerous.
Agreed.
Knew you would, Pohl Pott, cheese makers?
Quote: sootyj @ March 1, 2008, 11:06 PMIn one stroke you have entirely ruined my plot to find an acceptable scape goat. Bah back the drawing board. ANy one here like Hitler?
Unlike Paula Radcliffe, he at least tried to finish a race.
And I bet he didn't poo in the street either.
Quote: Mannikin Bird @ March 1, 2008, 10:56 PMNo matter how it's dressed up it doesn't seem nice.
Well, this is where we have to differ. I see the phrase as being relatively innocuous. If I were to place it on the PC-scale, it would be somewhere between horrible phrases like "Do you think I came in on a banana boat?" and something completely innocuous like "blackboard" which apparently overzealous PCers want to outlaw (I rather doubt this, actually).
The difference in my mind is that while phrases like "Do you think I came in on a banana boat?" immediately betrays its inherent prejudice and claims black people are stupid, "dialogue of the deaf" is rather more complex. I think TBH that perceived prejudice is more down to confusion than anything else. Really, and I think this is the crux of the matter, the definition that applies is:
"refusing to listen, heed, or be persuaded; unreasonable or unyielding"
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deaf)
rather than
"partially or wholly lacking or deprived of the sense of hearing; unable to hear."
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deaf)
So if we apply Occam's razor and boil your argument down to its core, you really object to the multiplicity of the word "deaf". There's little we can do about that except explain intended meaning where confusion arises.
I'm all for chalkboards and Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep. It's not a complete and utter load of f**king bollocks put together by people with the brains of a f**king worm at all. So there.
Quote: Aaron @ March 1, 2008, 11:09 PMOhh, I dunno about that. Obviously political correctness doesn't advocate the eradication of the Jews, but IMO it is more dangerous. The Nazis had/have set principles and beliefs which they intend/ed to implement point-blank. Political correctness has snuck up on us and has made far more long-term and damaging changes to society. It's rendered completely innocent activities, traditions and sayings (I could go on) off-limits, inappropriate, banned at times, and generally frowned upon. And yet it has no central base to argue against. At least with the Nazis they have beliefs and attitudes that can be argued against and ultimately ridiculed. PC's strength is that there is nothing to argue with.
All good points. But being extremely annoyed and even unbearably stifled by something isn't quite as bad as being gassed with 6 million of your mates.
Quote: Aaron @ March 1, 2008, 11:09 PMOhh, I dunno about that. Obviously political correctness doesn't advocate the eradication of the Jews, but IMO it is more dangerous. The Nazis had/have set principles and beliefs which they intend/ed to implement point-blank. Political correctness has snuck up on us and has made far more long-term and damaging changes to society. It's rendered completely innocent activities, traditions and sayings (I could go on) off-limits, inappropriate, banned at times, and generally frowned upon. And yet it has no central base to argue against. At least with the Nazis they have beliefs and attitudes that can be argued against and ultimately ridiculed. PC's strength is that there is nothing to argue with.
Agreed.
Aaron that's as insane, as it's factually inaccurate.
Nazism was a vast criminal conspiracy that grew out of German fascist movements of the 1930s. The first people they killed were real fascists. Towards the end they were all running, grubbing money, and trying to do deal with the Allies.
Are you honestly comparing a movment that killed millions, and enslaved hundreds of millions more. To a basically well intentioned attempt to provide fair balance to all people in society.
Actually there is no such thing as PC, in no book, or legislation does it exist. It's simply the idea that every one should be able to earn the same, and feel equally equall safe.
The desire to compare that to genocidal criminality, is worrying to say the very least.
Quote: sootyj @ March 1, 2008, 11:09 PMKnew you would, Pohl Pott, cheese makers?
I thought he had a nice name. Sounds sort of jolly.
probably not.
Mussolini always sounds like a seafood and pasta dish to me.
Quote: James Williams @ March 1, 2008, 11:13 PMWell, this is where we have to differ. I see the phrase as being relatively innocuous. If I were to place it on the PC-scale, it would be somewhere between horrible phrases like "Do you think I came in on a banana boat?" and something completely innocuous like "blackboard" which apparently overzealous PCers want to outlaw (I rather doubt this, actually).
The difference in my mind is that while phrases like "Do you think I came in on a banana boat?" immediately betrays its inherent prejudice and claims black people are stupid, "dialogue of the deaf" is rather more complex. I think TBH that perceived prejudice is more down to confusion than anything else. Really, and I think this is the crux of the matter, the definition that applies is:
"refusing to listen, heed, or be persuaded; unreasonable or unyielding"
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deaf)rather than
"partially or wholly lacking or deprived of the sense of hearing; unable to hear."
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deaf)Goodnight James, i wish we had shorthand for your posts
So if we apply Occam's razor and boil your argument down to its core, you really object to the multiplicity of the word "deaf". There's little we can do about that except explain intended meaning where confusion arises.
n.b. Aaron what are these glorious, traditions and phrases you consider so great, that you are being denied? Do you weap for not being able to watch The Black and White Minstrels? Or is it the fine old traditions of Darkie Day?
Quote: James Williams @ March 1, 2008, 11:13 PMSo if we apply Occam's razor and boil your argument down to its core, you really object to the multiplicity of the word "deaf". There's little we can do about that except explain intended meaning where confusion arises.
What if we don't apply Occam's razor and we have two people and one says something and the other feels a little offended. What my friend is that?
Over sensitive?
Or insensitive?