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Quote: James Williams @ March 1, 2008, 8:44 PM

Sorry, I wasn't singling you out as singling me out.

Re: everyone, to quote ol' Vic:
"You just couldn't let it lie, could you? You just couldn't let it lie!"

Hey Ray, chill. People are allowed to be offended. For me, TBH I was more shocked at a couple of the reponses to the sketch than the sketch itself. I think I've made my opinions on the sketch pretty clear. I mean, it was just something the author no doubt tossed off and people shouldn't go at him like a pack of wolves for it.

I also think discussion is healthy, but as ever, this is just one of those dialogue-of-the-deaf situations where everyone seems to have to say their piece and shut up!

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Or say thier piece then f**k off!

Oh dear!

Quote: James Williams @ March 1, 2008, 8:44 PM

this is just one of those dialogue-of-the-deaf situations where everyone seems to have to say their piece and shut up!

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James, I'm not used to this phraseology, what does it mean?

Quote: James Williams @ March 1, 2008, 8:44 PM

I also think discussion is healthy, but as ever, this is just one of those dialogue-of-the-deaf situations where everyone seems to have to say their piece and shut up!

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I haven't.

Well i'm glad this argument tailed off

Quote: ian_w @ March 1, 2008, 5:57 PM

I spoke to an Indian friend to see what he thought of it.

He said "I am not finding this racist. Thank you, come again."

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Quote: Mannikin Bird @ March 1, 2008, 8:59 PM

James, I'm not used to this phraseology, what does it mean?

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I believe it's French.
You find it everywhere; listen to people's conversations and you will find that an awful lot of the time people are essentially talking to themselves - no interaction really takes place; people use others as a sounding-board for what they wish to say without listening to the other side.

In this context it's dialogue that really gets nobody anywhere or convinces anyone of anything. Largely because people have invested their egos into the argument - in that, rather than discussing issues as "other" and ripe for dissection, they are really seen as integral to the character of the person putting the point forth ("I'm just like that"; "that's my sense of humour", etc.)- so to reconsider the point would mean re-evaluating oneself, which nobody is normally prepared to do.

I'm as guilty as the next man*, of course.

*Sexist.

Quote: ajp29 @ March 1, 2008, 9:36 PM

Well i'm glad this argument tailed off

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TBH I'm finding it quite stimulating. Maybe someone could start a new thread in General on these issues to reduce association with the author/sketch.

Quote: James Williams @ March 1, 2008, 9:37 PM

I believe it's French.
You find it everywhere; listen to people's conversations and you will find that an awful lot of the time people are essentially talking to themselves - no interaction really takes place; people use others as a sounding-board for what they wish to say without listening to the other side.

In this context it's dialogue that really gets nobody anywhere or convinces anyone of anything. Largely because people have invested their egos into the argument - in that, rather than discussing issues as "other" and ripe for dissection, they are really seen as integral to the character of the person putting the point forth ("I'm just like that"; "that's my sense of humour", etc.)- so to reconsider the point would mean re-evaluating oneself, which nobody is normally prepared to do.

I'm as guilty as the next man*, of course.

*Sexist.

James! Do you talk in your sleep?

TBH I'm finding it quite stimulating. Maybe someone could start a new thread in General on these issues to reduce association with the author/sketch.

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I'd be up for a mass debate. Won't last more than 5 minutes but i'll be there

Quote: James Williams @ March 1, 2008, 9:37 PM

I believe it's French.
You find it everywhere; listen to people's conversations and you will find that an awful lot of the time people are essentially talking to themselves - no interaction really takes place; people use others as a sounding-board for what they wish to say without listening to the other side.

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Whilst I understand your explanation, I think the phrase is a little unfair, deafist even.

Oh no!

Quote: Mannikin Bird @ March 1, 2008, 9:56 PM

Whilst I understand your explanation, I think the phrase is a little unfair, deafist even.

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I have (recently) discovered that some people are actually offended by it.

However, for me, it is a pretty universally understood shorthand for a certain meaning and we're stepping more into the world of political correctness to censor it.

We're straying more into the territory of Saussure here so I don't think the expression is that bad so long as its referent is properly understood. IMO.

I've posted a link here for any residual overspill not directly related to the sketch.

https://www.comedy.co.uk/forums/thread/5771#113631

It's just sort of saying people who can't hear don't listen and we both know that is not true.

https://www.comedy.co.uk/forums/thread/5771#113664

No matter how it's dressed up it doesn't seem nice.

I want Up4it to put his sketch back.

Quote: Ray Dawson @ March 1, 2008, 8:04 PM

It’s just a f**king sketch! If you want to argue about racism, start a thread of your own and let this lie.

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Agreed!