Quote: Oldrocker @ 5th May 2015, 12:24 AM BSTHorse, Gussie . . Get a room . .
A very fair comment. 
Quote: Gussie Fink Nottle @ 5th May 2015, 12:16 AM BSTBut the truth is that to your mind there is a measure of worthiness in 'victims' in regards to civil rights.
Muslim terrorist suspects are to you a lesser concern. So what if they're potentially innocent?To me in fact they are of equal concern than anyone else.
The idea that we need to sympathise with someone to grant them rights makes a mockery of rights of any kind. These are precisely the games governments have been playing. Liberties and rights belong to those we hate and distrust or they belong to no one at all.
It really is that simple.He who sets terrorist suspects at priority 500 in fact sets everyone there. For anyone who finds their public image poisoned will invariably find himself at 500, while Horseradish will reserve his support solely for the starving orphan children, should they get into trouble.
Government plays this game beautifully. Which parliamentary bill banned the right to demonstrate outside parliament? The Serious and Organised Crime Bill.
How a right of public gathering came to be curtailed by a bill supposedly containing laws designed for serious and organised crime is unclear.
What is clear, however, is that Horseradish would set serious and organised criminals at priority 500. And so it goes....The right to silence was qualified by Jack Straw because only hardened lags ever used it. So went the government yarn. It was a right solely for hardened criminals who knew how to play the system. Old hands. Crooks. Organised crime. So again, priority 500, right?
Or do you like hardened professional criminals more than terrorist suspects?They play this all the time. Much internet law is introduced to combat pornography. Priority 500 again? But the law then turns out to apply to much more material, to set worrying precedents and be applied much, much more widely.
The very fact that the authorities play such games is suspicious.
Why would they use such deceits and card tricks? It suggest they have an agenda and seek to attain their goal by hook or by crook.But while they're doing it they'll keep playing their trump card. Priority 500.
However, you say absolutely nothing about the millions of Miss Migginses who were indeed orphans or taken to court for stealing a blouse when actually it was someone else who stole it. You are focussed on the elite end of crime - head choppers, that sort of thing - which is as much of a minority as the governing classes themselves. Joe Public - you, me, the garden gatepost - should be very wary of becoming brainwashed by the media into thinking it matters more than the other things. It's top level establishment, many of whom are crooks, playing against top level villains as defined under the law precisely so that ordinary people's concerns don't get a look in. Best left to the Notting Hill set I feel.
As a matter of interest, Gussie, are you able to say just yes or no to the following six points:
1. Britain is not about to be overrun by actual Nazi storm troopers who would operate cameras/filters.
2. Most picnics are nicer if not centrally filmed but if they were it wouldn't impact much on activities.
3. People should celebrate the fact that their robust criticism of Governments might be noted down.
4. There is no chance whatsoever of any types of adult porn being banned in the next five years.
5. Most of any monitoring undertaken is, for better and worse, undertaken by dimwits and weirdos.
6. Bus passes, GP records etc.......ALL of modern life is one long round of snooping and interference.
