British Comedy Guide

Shakespeare's doubts

Hi everyone, I'm writing a funny article on motivation and thought I'd include this - any thoughts? - Obviously the formatting's gone a bit funny but just ignore that

Thanks in advance, Mikey

Remember, It's not just you that has ever struggled to achieve their goals, that has wrestled with self doubt and lacked motivation to continue.

You think Michelangelo never wanted to quit and go back to his job at the quarry? You think Shakespeare never had any doubts? Of course he did, this genuine dialogue proves as much:

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Hey! Shakesey! Shakesey Lakesey! How's it going my man?

SHAKESPEARE
Hey Steve.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Arh last night dude, last night! You know that chick from the blacksmiths, with the leprosy?

SHAKESPEARE
Yeah.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Well, I had this gin man, I like totally raped...

Shakespeare's mate looks concerned

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Hey, hey, what's up man? You look like you're gutted mate.

SHAKESPEARE
It's just this new play man, you know, I'm just worried it's a bit shit. I bet it won't even get made and even if it does, I bet the critics'll hate it.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Hey, Shakesey! It's ok, it'll be all right. Don't worry about it guy.

SHAKESPEARE
Yeah, cheers, I guess you're right. I'm just a bit fretful.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Yeah, and if it doesn't work out you can always get a job as a neck thing maker or you could work in the tights factory, guy.

SHAKESPEARE
I guess you're right, I just don't want to waste my life you know?

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Sure, sure. Shall we do some opium?

SHAKESPEARE
Where for oult thou my sweet, sweet opiate?

Shakespeare's Mate passes him the pipe

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Sure do wish they'd invent crack.

I think if you're going to bring Shakespeare in, you might as well have some Shakespeare jokes.

Also, I don't know the tone of your article, but it strikes me that rape gags in the middle of a piece about self-motivation might jar somewhat...although I guiltily admit that "I totally raped..." made me smile.

It should be written in Shakespearean language - prithee, sweet maid sort of thing. In modern-day language it doesn't work at all.

Thanks to both of you

Gappy, the tone is fine, it's more like a spoof thing than an actual article. And what sort of Shakespeare jokes do you mean? Is it not enough that he was doubful?

Beaky - how about if I wrote shakespeares bit like that and Steve in modern day? I might try it anyway

Quote: Mikey88 @ 25th August 2014, 11:41 AM BST

And what sort of Shakespeare jokes do you mean? Is it not enough that he was doubful?

Beaky - how about if I wrote shakespeares bit like that and Steve in modern day? I might try it anyway

I don't know what sort of jokes, I admit - puns on his quotations, exaggerated Elizabethan language, jokes about the period (and I'm sure opium was available in his era, but I'd associate it with Romantic poets, not Elizabethan playwrights). I don't really get why you've written a skit about Shakespeare here, is what I mean.

Your idea of contrasting the speech patterns is an idea to give it a bit of character.

Remember, It's not just you that has ever struggled to achieve their goals, that has wrestled with self doubt or motivation to continue.

You think Michelangelo never wanted to quit and go back to his job at the quarry? You think Shakespeare never had any doubts? Of course he did, this genuine dialogue proves as much:

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Hey! Shakesey! Shakesey Lakesey! How's it going my man?

SHAKESPEARE
Greetings Steve.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Arh last night dude, last night! You know that chick from the blacksmiths, with the leprosy?

Shakespeare sighs deeply

SHAKESPEARE
I know of she, yes.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Well, I had this gin man, I like totally raped...

Shakespeare's mate looks concerned

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Hey, hey, what's up man? You look like you're gutted mate.

SHAKESPEARE
I am, I fear somewhat down beat on this day. My doubt is profound upon this play o mine. I doth expect it be shit. Its destiny is assured in failure.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Hey, Shakesey, it's ok, it'll be all right. Don't worry about it guy.

SHAKESPEARE
I thank you my friend for your kind words. Alas, my heart is heavy with the burden of worry.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Yeah, and if it doesn't work out you can always get a job as a neck thing maker or work in the tights factory, guy.

SHAKESPEARE
I suspect you speaketh the truth, though I am fretful for my play and I am distressed that my life is one of waste.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Sure, sure. Fancy some opium?

SHAKESPEARE
Where for oult thou my sweet, sweet opiate?

Shakespeare's Mate passes him the pipe

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Sure do wish they'd invent crack.

You see, even Shakespeare had his doubts but he managed to stay on track, he persevered. So, remember, just stick with the program and have faith

That's already better :) Perhaps at the end the friend could say somethjing like "Oh, and why are you talking like that, mate?"; "Just bored, you know".

Sorry to be a pedant, but some of your verbs aren't quite right.

1st person - I joke - would normamly be the same.
2nd person - you joke - would normally be "thou jok(e)st"
3rd person - he jokes - would normally be "he joketh".

That's in the present tense singular at least. ;)

If Shakespeare conjugatiing wrong is a joke, then please ignore me being patronising Laughing out loud - but you could probably go further with it and get more smiles from it.

Abnd "oult" should be "art" - again if I'm missing a joke there, just ignore me
Whistling nnocently

If it's for an article make the comedy illustrative I would suggest. It's not at the moment really. What point are you trying to make?

Cheers, I'm not exactly good at writing like Shakespeare:

So, how about this version - I've done it all as Shakespeare speak but left a few modern words in - And I've tried to correct the verbs you've mentioned but anything else let me know

Remember, It's not just you that has ever struggled to achieve their goals, that has wrestled with self doubt or motivation to continue.

You think Michelangelo never wanted to quit and go back to his job at the quarry? You think Shakespeare never had any doubts? Of course he did, this genuine dialogue proves as much:

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
My salutation is one of greetings, my dear Shakesey.

SHAKESPEARE
Greetings Steve.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
The night but passed was most splendid. You are familiar, I am sure, of the fair maiden of the blacksmiths, encumbered as she is with the leprosy?

Shakespeare sighs deeply

SHAKESPEARE
I know of she, yes.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Well, I had this gin upon my person. It was most gleeful when I raped...

Shakespeare's mate looks concerned

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
My dear fellow? Why doeth thou appear so morose?

SHAKESPEARE
I am, I fear, somewhat down beat on this day. My doubt is profound upon this play o mine. I doeth expect it be shit. Its destiny is assured in failure.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Cast away your feelings of dejection. My confidence in thou is as assured as the morrow. You should cease such worry.

SHAKESPEARE
I thank you my friend. Your words, they are kind but alas, my heart is heavy with the burden of anguish.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
And should fate become but gloomier. I discern employment can be gained at the factory of neck things.

SHAKESPEARE
I suspect you speaketh the truth, dear friend, though I am fretful for my play and I am distressed that my life is one of waste.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Wouldst thou partake of some opium on this moment?

SHAKESPEARE
Where for art thou my sweet, sweet opiate?

Shakespeare's Mate passes him the pipe

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
I grow impatient my dear fellow. Why this dawdle for the invention of crack.

You see, even Shakespeare had his doubts but he managed to stay on track, he persevered. So, remember, just stick with the program and have faith

Quote: Marc P @ 25th August 2014, 1:27 PM BST

If it's for an article make the comedy illustrative I would suggest. It's not at the moment really. What point are you trying to make?

Hi Marc, what do you mean by illustrative?

Do you mean it should illustrate the point I'm trying to make in the article? If so the point is that even someone as obviously dedicated and assured as Michelangelo or Shakespeare also had their doubts about themselves.

It's not actually writing an article, I'm writing a a spoof self help book, but it's basically a collection of connected articles. This one is about keeping your motivation - The books tone is basically dead pan with advice that sounds like it could be true but it's actually complete nonsense. With a load of jokes thrown in.

There is also lots of extra bits like this or people's stories - I've tried to do it like family guy with random cutaways

I would suggest you do it with Shakespeare visiting Bacon who is toying with the idea of writing a play about star crossed lovers or suchlike, giving him the dope, telling him to do something else etc. So there is a lesson to be learned in keeping motivated or again someuch. Make the content match the point you are making in the humourous way is, I guess, what I am saying.

Or Kit Marlowe of course who was more of a rogue/character.

I think Marc has said what I was driving at better, it was hard to see much of an ilustrative point to it at first. If it's one of series of "textual cutaways" in a long piece that might make rather more sense.

Doubly pedantic point: I don't think gin existed, in England at least, until the time of William Of Orange, or thereabouts - I certainly don't think it was the cheap booze-up option of the people till the mid-18th century. Sack is a good Elizabethan drink. Or Madeira. Or Malmsey, the morning after which you might get bad wind, or "Malmsey butt", as Shakespeare might have called it.

Quote: Marc P @ 25th August 2014, 1:53 PM BST

I would suggest you do it with Shakespeare visiting Bacon who is toying with the idea of writing a play about star crossed lovers or suchlike, giving him the dope, telling him to do something else etc. So there is a lesson to be learned in keeping motivated or again someuch. Make the content match the point you are making in the humourous way is, I guess, what I am saying.

Or Kit Marlowe of course who was more of a rogue/character.

I get what you mean (took me a while though) - I'm going to stick with Steve though because I think he's funnier than Bacon and Marlowe is too obscure a reference.

And I see what you mean about putting a message in it - I'll have a think about that.

Anyway, in the meantime, here is a full on Shakespeare version:

Remember, It's not just you that has ever struggled to achieve their goals, that has wrestled with self doubt or motivation to continue.

You think Michelangelo never wanted to quit and go back to his job at the quarry? You think Shakespeare never had any doubts? Of course he did, this genuine dialogue proves as much:

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Mineth salutation is one of greetings, mineth dear Shakesey.

SHAKESPEARE
Greetings Steve.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
The night but pass'd was most splendid. Ye art familiar, I am sure, of the fair maiden of the blacksmiths, encumber'd as she is with the leprosy.

Shakespeare sighs deeply

SHAKESPEARE
I knoweth of she, yes.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Well, I hadeth this gin upon mineth person. I was gleeful when I raped...

Shakespeare's mate looks concerned

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Mineth dear fellow? Why doth thou appeareth so morose?

SHAKESPEARE
I am, I feareth, somewhat down beateth on this day. Mineth doubteth is profound upon this play o mineth. I doth expecteth it be shit. its destiny is assur'd in failure.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Casteth away thy feelings of dejection. Mineth confidence in thou is as assur'd as the m'rrow. Thou shouldst cease such worry.

SHAKESPEARE
I thanketh thou mineth friend. Thy w'rds, they art kind but alas, mineth heart is heavy with the burden of anguish.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
And shouldst fate becometh but gloomi'r. I discern employment can be gain'd at the factory of frilly neck things.

SHAKESPEARE
I suspecteth thou speaketh the truth, dear friend, though I am fretful for mineth play and I am distress'd that mineth life is one of wasteth.

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
Wouldst thee partake of some opium on this moment?

SHAKESPEARE
Whence for oult thou mineth sweet, sweet opiate?

Shakespeare's Mate passes him the pipe

SHAKESPEARE'S MATE
I groweth impatient mineth dear fellow. Why this dawdle for the invention of crack?

You see, even Shakespeare had his doubts but he managed to stay on track, he persevered. So, remember, just stick with the program and have faith

Quote: gappy @ 25th August 2014, 2:07 PM BST

I think Marc has said what I was driving at better, it was hard to see much of an ilustrative point to it at first. If it's one of series of "textual cutaways" in a long piece that might make rather more sense.

Doubly pedantic point: I don't think gin existed, in England at least, until the time of William Of Orange, or thereabouts - I certainly don't think it was the cheap booze-up option of the people till the mid-18th century. Sack is a good Elizabethan drink. Or Madeira. Or Malmsey, the morning after which you might get bad wind, or "Malmsey butt", as Shakespeare might have called it.

Haha Gappy, you sure do like things to be correct don't you?

I think you are over estimating my audience a bit though to be honest, they probably won't have heard of the drinks you've mentioned, I know I haven't.

This is more of a daft / silly comedy rather than super intelligent high brow stuff - I'm basically going for the family guy audience

You've certaibnly managed to send my grammar dials in to the red Laughing out loud

Might just be me, but I didn't realise that the "neck things" were ruffs for a while - I thought you meant the stocks. Perhaps "pointless frilly neck things" might be better for dopes like me..?

I've changed it to frilly neck things - any thoughts on it all being in shakespeare language? It's from an online translator

Quote: Mikey88 @ 25th August 2014, 2:12 PM BST

Haha Gappy, you sure do like things to be correct don't you?

Yeah, I know. Laughing out loud Sorry. Not remotely important, I suspect.

Quote: Mikey88 @ 25th August 2014, 2:18 PM BST

I've changed it to frilly neck things - any thoughts on it all being in shakespeare language? It's from an online translator

Oh. I thought you'd gone for the joke language. I'm afraid the translator is very very wrong. But it's kind of funny like that, I'd leave it(eth).

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