Quote: sootyj @ February 22, 2008, 1:51 PMI read about that, the nutcase was feeding them to his pigs wasn't he?
Also 500 kids disapeared in London last year, who didn't get 24 hour rolling coverage. Infact pretty much none, care to guess the ethnicity, and social background of most of them?
Yup that's the one. I've never seen anyone caught for murder who looked more like a stereotypical villain. The thinning greasy long hair, with a dazed look and 5 day growth on his face.
Hmmm always a tricky one, you can't run the world on the basis of what stupid people will misunderstand. You'd have to make all shoes from chocolate, incase they wanted to eat them.
You got to do the best you can, and hope it works out for the best. Then use hate speach legislation, to prevent it actually leading to criminal behaviour.
A surprising number of my Caribean colleagues in their 40s loved, Love Thy Neighbour. The black guy usually came out on top, and it was one of the few chances to see an at all normal Black guy on telly at the time, with lines and everything.
Never trust a man who keeps pigs, or a sausage machine, never a truer word said.
But isn't it usually people outside of the group that end up doing most of the complaining anyway?
The self righteous politically correct do so much harm, and don't listen to peoples real experiences. Islington is full of signs that its, gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered week. Whats wrong with calling it none hetrosexual week. What about poor saddos like me, who's last experience was getting confused by Jenny Agguter in the Railway Children
Quote: Griff @ February 22, 2008, 2:00 PMThe writer of hilarious TV racist Alf Garnett. Speight insisted we were supposed to be laughing AT Garnett, but a lot of people laughed WITH him.
Reminds me of the Pub Landlord. That act actually started as a piss-take of xenophobic loud-mouthed cockney wankers, but now it's almost become a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy, with most of the audience agreeing with what he has to say.
I think it'd shock a lot of the viewing audience to know that Al Murray is actually a rather posh and quietly-spoken Oxford graduate, fluent in several languages and of part-Austrian aristocratic descent!
Ohhhhh, him!
I couldn't get that other Speight fellow out of my mind... that one from SmArt.
Quote: Perry Nium @ February 22, 2008, 2:24 PMReminds me of the Pub Landlord. That act actually started as a piss-take of xenophobic loud-mouthed cockney wankers, but now it's almost become a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy, with most of the audience agreeing with what he has to say.
I think it'd shock a lot of the viewing audience to know that Al Murray is actually a rather posh and quietly-spoken Oxford graduate, fluent in several languages and of part-Austrian aristocratic descent!
I feel a bit sorry for Al. Imagine most of your fans being c**ts. 
I always reckoned they pulled Life on Mars, because people over identified with a racist, violent white cop. Can't they teach irony in school?
n.b. Ashes to Ashes, Hunts been softened, and played for laughs way more than vastly superior Life on Mars.
n.n.b. saw him on CLokcing off on UK Drama, from 10 years ago. Had seriosu thoughts I should join Islington Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transexual week.
n.n.n.b. stupid people will always get things wrong, and they will always be with us, alas
Quote: Griff @ February 22, 2008, 2:00 PM
Problem was Alf was played by Warren Mitchell, one of the funniest comic actors ever. How can you not laugh ?
Saw Warren Mitchell a couple of weeks ago on stage in "Visiting Mr Green". He was brilliant. Now 81 and quite frail but an excellent performance.
Quote: zooo @ February 22, 2008, 2:27 PMOhhhhh, him!
I couldn't get that other Speight fellow out of my mind... that one from SmArt.
I feel a bit sorry for Al. Imagine most of your fans being c**ts.
Ah. well I'm a fan but hopefully for the right reasons. I do laugh AT the character but not WITH him. So I'm just half a c**t.
Quote: sootyj @ February 22, 2008, 1:32 PMI watched the clip of Sir Roderick Spratt, and he uses the word bleeding. Now the interesting thing is I just read a US WW2 guide for service men in the UK. Where it made it quite clear, that uses the word bloody, or bleeding was so offensive in the UK it could lead to riots.
Yeah, well we know how accurate the US military is, don't we?
Quote: sootyj @ February 22, 2008, 1:51 PMAlso 500 kids disapeared in London last year, who didn't get 24 hour rolling coverage. Infact pretty much none, care to guess the ethnicity, and social background of most of them?
People are interested in people like themselves - this is a mainly white country so we are interested in other white people. Holly and Jessica will always get more press than Winston the drug runner because we can relate to one and not the other.
The further the subject deviates from the norm, be that by geography, race, occupation, the less the norm will care. Hence a Chinese hooker killed while assaulting a goat in Istanbul wont make the news but a white office worker shot in Bracknell while reading The Mail will. (Although in Istanbul the Daily Goat Shagger will probably cover the hookers story as thats of interest to its normal readers)
Quote: zooo @ February 22, 2008, 1:55 PMP.S. Who the heck's Johnny Speight, Aaron?
DAMNIT! The one time someone pays enough attention to something I say, and actually asks me a question, I 'look away' from the board.
Quote: Griff @ February 22, 2008, 2:06 PM(Griff immediately goes for a haircut and a shave...)
I've seen your hair, no? It's anything but thinning, long and greasy. 
Quote: ian_w @ February 22, 2008, 2:09 PMBut isn't it usually people outside of the group that end up doing most of the complaining anyway?
Yes.
Quote: zooo @ February 22, 2008, 2:27 PMI feel a bit sorry for Al. Imagine most of your fans being c**ts.
Quote: Aaron @ February 22, 2008, 2:33 PMYeah, well we know how accurate the US military is, don't we?
I understand, Americans are infact all.....French in disguise!
True about Septics, but bloody was a very rude word. I understood one of Norman Wisdom joke writers was shot in WW2 by a firing squad, for writing
"Mr Hitler is a bloody rotter,"
Quote: sootyj @ February 22, 2008, 2:28 PMI always reckoned they pulled Life on Mars, because people over identified with a racist, violent white cop.
And not because it'd dragged on too long? Look at Lost to see a show which doesn't know when to call it a day.
On the subject of people not caring because it's prostitutes getting murdered, look at the case of Jack the Ripper. Caused hysteria, through both fear and horror, nevermind that they were working girls.
Quote: sootyj @ February 22, 2008, 2:28 PMI always reckoned they pulled Life on Mars, because people over identified with a racist, violent white cop. Can't they teach irony in school?
They didn't pull 'Life On Mars'. John Simms didn't want to do more than 2 series (I don't think he's done more than 2 series of anything..may be wrong). Without the 'Sam' character there wasn't a show.
True though Gene Hunt has been softened in 'Ashes To Ahses'