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I usually agree with RC in the short time I've been here, but his argument revolves around whether you think all victims are equal or not.

(1) Man kills a random person in the park.

(2) Father of murdered person kills the man, or public cry out for the death penalty (etc.).

From RC's perspective, both are equally bad, because both the 'man' and the 'father' (or the 'state' if there was an execution) have murdered one person each.

However, in my mind, killing a random (presumably) innocent person is a completely different ballpark to killing somebody who killed a random.

In this Westboro case, I would say that celebrating the death of someone who caused so much misery is less of a crime than celebrating the death of a random (presumably) innocent deceased person.

If the Phelp's death celebrators are so awful, what other deaths have they celebrated recently? I would guess, not many. Most would certainly not do such a thing with the rabid randomness and prolificacy that Phelp's rabble did.

Now the Jade Goody stuff (online death countdown etc.) was despicable. And that's coming from someone who hated everything she represented (the holy trinity of ignorance, pseudo-celebrity and reality TV). However, despite all my grievances she, unlike Phelps, never intended any harm.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 18th March 2014, 12:21 AM GMT

I'm just saying that people are a bunch of hypocritical tossers, who one second say that mocking the dead is totally unacceptable and then turn around and mock the dead of those mocking the dead.

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But they haven't actually done anything yet, have they? I'll correct your mistake:

Quote: Not Renegade Carpark @ 18th March 2014, 12:21 AM GMT

I'm just saying that people are a bunch of hypocritical tossers, who one second say that mocking the dead is totally unacceptable, but haven't turned around to mock the dead of those mocking the dead.

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Quote: Jennie @ 16th March 2014, 11:00 PM GMT

Yep. It is always open season on women's appearances - no matter what the context. Just more bullshit sexism.

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Is it still sexism when the detractors are themselves women?

I think Jennie's issue was probably more that our society is sexist in its views towards women (and men as well, but this happened to be about women). And society includes men and women.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 18th March 2014, 12:00 AM GMT

Female criminals are much more of a rarity due to women's natural desire to submit and conform

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*Ruffles RC's hair affectionately*.

Quote: Nogget @ 18th March 2014, 8:22 AM GMT

Is it still sexism when the detractors are themselves women?

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Definitely. Women can be extremely anti-women. When I am doing a sex case (female complainant, male defendant) I want lots of women on my jury.

Quote: SimonWing @ 18th March 2014, 5:48 AM GMT

I usually agree with RC in the short time I've been here,

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I don't think RC agrees with himself that much.

I think we should celebrate Fred Phelps' finest hour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOz4zg5mZBk

[quote name="Jennie" post="1061006" date="18th March 2014, 10:46 AM GMT]

When I am doing a sex case I want lots of women[/quote]
Is that the latest mills and boon

Quote: Jennie @ 18th March 2014, 10:46 AM GMT

When I am doing a sex case I want lots of women on my jury.

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I was hoping it would be a euphemism actually

That is the greatest accidental the BCG may have ever seen.

Quote: SimonWing @ 18th March 2014, 5:48 AM GMT

I usually agree with RC in the short time I've been here, but his argument revolves around whether you think all victims are equal or not.

(1) Man kills a random person in the park.

(2) Father of murdered person kills the man, or public cry out for the death penalty (etc.).

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Well, you better get back to agreeing with me, because you yourself have explained the argument so eloquently.

The Westboro Baptist Church have done mean things and said unpopular words, but they haven't killed anyone, planned a terrorist attack or even occupied a site for more then a few hours.

Compared to groups who bomb abortion clinics, physically attack animal researchers, stab police horses on demos, smash Jewish grave stones, etc. - The Westboros are saintly, law abiding protestors.

So, are all victims equal or not? In this case, where a media narrative has been created to distract from the real villains in this world, then it is decidedly unequal.

I think if your child was killed in Iraq or murdered by ignorant assholes, then having a good sized crowd of people waving placards insulting them, saying they're going to hell and shouting the same would well I dunno be hurtful?

Quote: Nogget @ 18th March 2014, 8:22 AM GMT

But they haven't actually done anything yet, have they? I'll correct your mistake:

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Yes they have, read any comments section in a daily online newspaper and it's filled with 'rot in hell' messages. In fact, they're almost exclusively bad natured, because that is how you are supposed to react, because the media told you to.

Quote: Jennie @ 18th March 2014, 10:46 AM GMT

*Ruffles RC's hair affectionately*.

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*Pats Jennie affectionately on the head*

Though women do have a natural desire to submit and conform, both in the animal and the human worlds. It's why there are fewer female criminals and murderers. It's why we have a monarchy in the 21st century. It's why men are disproportionately represented in politics and business. It's why the fashion and beauty industry can flog you rubbish and tell you what to wear from season to season.

Stand up for yourselves ladies! We men are only 48% of the population but we do 99% of the stuff. Get off your lazy lady bums and change this now.

I'd say rather than look at the random burblings of twitter or YouTube.

I'd look at the counter protests to Westbro from silent Hells Angels blocking their view, to people dressed as zombies. They've been noticable in the main by their wit and good taste. Albeit giving them unneeded publicity.

The rare physical or more aggressive attacks, have been condemned.

I mean dare I say it, there's a lot of racist nutter who follow UKIP but, as long as UKIP keeps distancing themselves and removing them from office. Don't they deserve credit? As do those who oppose Westbro?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eve-Was-Framed-British-Justice/dp/0099224410

Have a read.

Edit: That was to RCP, not Soots.

I was thinking with that racist comedian that UKIP hired.
Ok as a political party it was pretty silly.

But so what? They're a bunch of conservative, libertarians, unpc types why shouldn't they get together have a drink and laugh at someone who tells their kind of jokes?

Was it any sillier than that awful Lib stunt, or labour comics joking about Thatcher's death?

Opinions are like penises, fine to have one, fine to not have one.
Just stick it in my letter box or down my throat.

Quote: sootyj @ 18th March 2014, 1:32 PM GMT

Just stick it in my letter box or down my throat.

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