It must all be part of a cunning plan.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 1,420
Quote: zooo @ 22nd January 2014, 4:00 PM GMTIt must all be part of a c**ting plan.
Zooo men are not like that
well most of them
Surprisingly, I'm in agreement with sooty and zooo on this one. Sometimes I'd wish they'd make the burkha mandatory at some work places, just as women don't want unwanted sexual advances, I can occasionally do without the flirty receptionist or the business lady in the tiny mini skirt.
Quote: zooo @ 22nd January 2014, 3:57 PM GMTTursiops, your argument is sounding a bit 'but some women like it when some men do sex on them, so surely it's okay for any man to do sex on any woman'.
Which is obviously thoroughly mental, I'm sure you'd agree!
You do not think perhaps that the phrase "Do sex" oversimplifies a huge range of human courtship behaviour? Signals get misunderstood, wires get crossed, it is all a horribly fraught and difficult business, and misunderstandings occur. Particularly, because as stated previously, most men are completely delusional when it comes to their own sexual attractiveness.
That sexual harassment is wrong is a given; the problem comes with defining terms of reference. Taken to extremes there is a danger of creating a world where all dating ends up needing to be done through lawyers.
But my original point was that back in the 1970s these young women apparently did not feel empowered to tell the men in question that their attentions were unwelcome; so given that most men have the emotional intelligence of a breeze block, how were they to know? At what point does pushing your luck become a criminal offence? And should we really be looking to decide this in a court of law forty years after the fact?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 22nd January 2014, 4:14 PM GMTSurprisingly, I'm in agreement with sooty and zooo on this one.
You have no idea how relieved that makes me feel.
I don't think any man has been taken to court over JUST bum pinching though. The man we're talking about for example, seems to have done all sorts. But they're adding on all the bum fondling stuff on top.
Quote: Tursiops @ 22nd January 2014, 4:18 PM GMTBut my original point was that back in the 1970s these young women apparently did not feel empowered to tell the men in question that their attentions were unwelcome; so given that most men have the emotional intelligence of a breeze block, how were they to know?
From what I've heard, if you said 'don't do that' you got laughed at and they carried on, or a response of 'why not, are you a lesbian?' or things of that ilk.
In fact that's reminded me, the last time I was at a club a bloke groped my bum and when I pushed him away he asked if I was a nun. It's not as if it stopped in the 70s.
(He later sobered up and came to apologise. I didn't recognise him or know what on earth he was apologising for until later. But er... at least he said sorry.)
Quote: zooo @ 22nd January 2014, 4:19 PM GMTI don't think any man has been taken to court over JUST bum pinching though. The man we're talking about for example, seems to have done all sorts. But they're adding on all the bum fondling stuff on top.
And if that was just character evidence, I would not have so much of a problem with it.
But,I foresee a problem with retrospectively applying standards of sexual etiquette from the 2010s to the 1970s. If the jury convicts on these charges it is going to open the floodgates for historical complaints; while if the jury baulks at convicting it is going to make the CPS more reluctant to prosecute such cases in the present.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 22nd January 2014, 2:08 PM GMTThe men's restroom cubicles in the Winter Olympic venue of Sochi have got a pair of toilets side by side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25830617
This has immediately sparked a Twitter storm. 'I couldn't give two shits', 'that's what I call two-bog-aning' and 'if I want to sit next to a foreigner having a shit, I'd get a night bus' quipped desperate stand up comic Gary Nobody, quickly adding 'please follow me on Twitter' and 'I'm performing at the Lewisham Chuckle Hut on Friday, tickets only £4'.
If the flush breaks,do you get a two-man bob?
Quote: zooo @ 22nd January 2014, 4:23 PM GMTFrom what I've heard, if you said 'don't do that' you got laughed at and they carried on, or a response of 'why not, are you a lesbian?' or things of that ilk.
Fair point, some men would certainly have done that, though probably fewer than you think, and I can fully understand that the women did not feel empowered, but you can only look at the specific circumstance and what the bloke thought was going on at the time.
Incidentally I cannot believe that I am defending Dave Lee Travis.
Quote: Lazzard @ 22nd January 2014, 4:30 PM GMTIf the flush breaks,do you get a two-man bob?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10457048/Female-serial-killer-admits-three-murders.html
not sure why this story bothers me so much
Quote: sootyj @ 22nd January 2014, 6:04 PM GMThttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10457048/Female-serial-killer-admits-three-murders.html
not sure why this story bothers me so much
Randomness is always disturbing.
And her partner's a big unit ay 'e ?
Quote: Tursiops @ 22nd January 2014, 10:13 AM GMTI have been goosed by both girls and boys, and on one occasion by a six-foot six transexual with a hand like a mechanical grab. It was disconcerting, but I cannot claim to have been mentally scarred for life.
Many years ago, when I was very young and innocent, I sexually abused myself. I was too young to know what was happening, but I was too frightened or too excited make myself stop. Do you think I should report myself to police and face prosecution? The fact that I'm on the path to becoming a middle-aged failure all stems back from this abuse, some of which occurred while watching the BBC. I look forward to hefty compensation so I can become a rich failure, blaming my present shortcomings on something that happened decades ago.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 22nd January 2014, 4:14 PM GMTSometimes I'd wish they'd make the burkha mandatory at some work places, just as women don't want unwanted sexual advances, I can occasionally do without the flirty receptionist or the business lady in the tiny mini skirt.
No. Women and men should be free to dress as they please, provided it's practical for the workplace. Protective clothing of course should be mandatory when required, but no one should wish a burka on any woman.
Quote: zooo @ 22nd January 2014, 4:23 PM GMTIn fact that's reminded me, the last time I was at a club a bloke groped my bum and when I pushed him away he asked if I was a nun. It's not as if it stopped in the 70s.
Reminds of being at a water cooler in 1997 and filling my water bottle. A young woman from marketing came up and pinched my bum. She then made a suggestive comment. That night I shagged her. I've had blokes goose/grope me too, but they've usually been pretty hideous or undesirable. Politely pushing them away has always worked, and I've never been called a nun, so probably I don't know what it's like to be a woman on the receiving end of unwanted advances. Although one fellow (an American banker) did call me a cock-tease and threatened me that I'd never work in London in again - because I had rejected his advances, which comprised giving me whiskey and then grabbing my dick. Smooth feller.
Quote: Kenneth @ 22nd January 2014, 7:51 PM GMTNo. Women and men should be free to dress as they please, provided it's practical for the workplace. Protective clothing of course should be mandatory when required, but no one should wish a burka on any woman.
I've heard women who go around with boobs and legs on display complain of sitting opposite a man on the tube with his legs open and packet thrust forward. Just find the hypocrisy kinda amusing.
If they can complain about overt sexual displays, then so can I. It's my right as a feminist.