No I think anyone who's agreed to kill for their country, is both to weak willed and violent to have a valid opinion on anything.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 1,402
Quote: sootyj @ 11th January 2014, 8:14 PM GMTNo I think anyone who's agreed to kill for their country, is both to weak willed and violent to have a valid opinion on anything.
Yeah, like that bastard US aircraft carrier that went to the Philippines after the hurricane and restored security, treated injuries with their medical personnel and handed out food and water.
What a bunch of murderers. 
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 11th January 2014, 8:18 PM GMTYeah, like that bastard US aircraft carrier that went to the Philippines after the hurricane and restored security, treated injuries with their medical personnel and handed out food and water.
What a bunch of murderers.
Really??
I missed that
Maybe they were at a loose end cos they couldn't find any Muslims to butcher that day?
Can anyone tell me what party I would need to vote for to guarantee we stay in Europe?
I'm worried about losing the court of human rights.
I know the government have tried to do things in the past that have been stopped by the court as they were against human rights. I think we really need it or there is nothing to stop things like that happening (which is a bit scary imo).
Lib dem
But they won't win so
Labour probably
Although Cameron is a bullshitting sneak
He wants to stay in Europe 100000000%
It's all an act on his part
Don't worry
This country will NEVER leave the EU
Not in a million years
Quote: lofthouse @ 12th January 2014, 12:55 PM GMTLib dem
But they won't win so
Labour probably
Although Cameron is a bullshitting sneak
He wants to stay in Europe 100000000%
It's all an act on his part
Don't worry
This country will NEVER leave the EU
Not in a million years
Thanks Lofthouse 
Not taking any chances that for once in his life he's not lying. I guess labour then, although I wouldn't really need to as everyone always votes for them round here anyway.
I'd do a bit more research than just asking lofty if you're actually choosing who to vote for!
(No offence to lofty.) 
Quote: zooo @ 12th January 2014, 3:27 PM GMTI'd do a bit more research than just asking lofty if you're actually choosing who to vote for!
(No offence to lofty.)
I wouldn't know where to start Zooo! I've never voted before.
But he is a cat in a leather jacket! He automatically has my trust!
Lol, fair point.
Quote: Hannah G @ 12th January 2014, 12:41 PM GMTCan anyone tell me what party I would need to vote for to guarantee we stay in Europe?
I'm worried about losing the court of human rights.
I know the government have tried to do things in the past that have been stopped by the court as they were against human rights. I think we really need it or there is nothing to stop things like that happening (which is a bit scary imo).
I agree with you completely, Hannah.
Basically anyone but Tories and UKIP (but you sound far too sensible to vote for either of them anyway). Failing Grayling was on The Politics Show today talking about repealing the Human Rights Act. Scary stuff.
The HRA protects us from the likes of him. That is why he wants to repeal it. More power for him.
I'll say this for the Tories, they want to create a British Bill of Human Rights, which I'm all for. Why we have to follow a European ruling and not one originated from British Parliament is beyond me.
We don't allow Japan to dictate our health and safety laws, we don't ask Chile for advice on our press regulations, why should we allow a faceless European bureaucracy to impose it's laws on our land?
Oddly I'd say if you're really cunning vote UKIP for 2 reasons.
Firstly I want everyone in the bright light of democracy, not skulking in the corners pretending they've been excluded.
Secondly they're the most likely to drain the votes from and unsettle the conservatives.
And if they win a few seats, it'll break up a Conservative government a little.
Because it is the only court to check the power of the government. If they don't like something the Supreme Court says, they just change the law. Strasbourg (to whom we provide some of our own judges) is the only effective check on executive power.
Also, I cannot think of one decision of Strasbourg that has really f**ked up our lives. No whole life tariffs? You can effectively give someone a whole life tariff - just give them a min 30 years then don't make the courses they need to take to be eligible parole available to them. Turns out, we can keep people in prison for their entire lives if we try hard enough.
Quote: sootyj @ 12th January 2014, 11:27 PM GMTAnd if they win a few seats, it'll break up a Conservative government a little.
A deeply frightening prospect. I hold on to the belief that they will not get an overall majority. That is too scary to contemplate.