Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:31 AM GMTI remember the broom cupboard too!
Hurrah!
Back when Andi Peters was skinny.
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Quote: zooo @ 18th December 2013, 12:31 AM GMTWe also did Hansel and Gretel and other fairytales, when the teachers got bored of donkeys and bloody innkeepers.
thats pretty cool if a little mental, did the witch bake the baby Jesus.
Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:28 AM GMTI said if someone wants to wear a burka they shouldn't be banned from wearing one. Not that if someone wants to make someone else wear one, or make someone else feel they have to, but if someone really wants to cover themselves they should be allowed to.
Really wants to cover themselves as in that they have been religiously indoctrinated to think that it is sinful for the lesser sex to do otherwise?
Cultural tolerance and evangelical feminism can be really quite hard to square.
Quote: sootyj @ 18th December 2013, 12:31 AM GMTSo religious trappings are ok but just not religious teachings or ideas.
I don't see that as a necessarily religious issue, I see it as a personal freedom issue. I don't think baseball caps or polkadot dresses should be banned either.
Quote: Tursiops @ 18th December 2013, 12:33 AM GMTReally wants to cover themselves as in that they have been religiously indoctrinated to think that it is sinful for the lesser sex to do otherwise?
Cultural tolerance and evangelical feminism can be really quite hard to square.
Also didn't say that. There might be half a dozen other reasons why a woman might want to wear a burka.
I agree with that. I think schools should as they pretty much do make space for individual cultures and faiths.
But there has to be a point that you're I dunno going to spend time with diferent kids, with diferent ways and you're all going to be the same.
Otherwise you're allowing parental indoctrination to stop kids ever being themselves or learning from each other. So I guess a conservative school uniform possibly with head covering. But not blind, fearful acceptance of whatever parental lunacy is the order of the day
You know what would save a lot of time is if you guys stopped assuming you knew my opinion on something before I had stated it.
Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:37 AM GMTAlso didn't say that. There might be half a dozen other reasons why a woman might want to wear a burka.
But how do you distinguish? Particularly if the woman is a child?
Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:39 AM GMTYou know what would save a lot of time is if you guys stopped assuming you knew my opinion on something before I had stated it.
Just trying to anticipate where your logic is heading...
Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:37 AM GMTI don't see that as a necessarily religious issue, I see it as a personal freedom issue. I don't think baseball caps or polkadot dresses should be banned either.
I don't think you're convincing yourself.
Confident transvestite or transgendered chaps from quite an early age will choose to wear polka dot dresses.
No one outside of the Muslim and some very odd Jewish enclaves wear Burqa/niqarbs. And unlike polka dotted dresses its an item of clothing designed to shame and conceal, and to a lesser extent show religious unity.
Perhaps they should be ok for schools, what do I know. I'm merely curious you'd permit the outfit with out the education around the meaning.
Quote: keewik @ 18th December 2013, 12:12 AM GMT'Crutch' is the word. It's bloody hard being a non-believer.
So why kick away a crutch?
Quote: Tursiops @ 18th December 2013, 12:42 AM GMTJust trying to anticipate where your logic is heading...
and getting it wrong every time.
Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:39 AM GMTYou know what would save a lot of time is if you guys stopped assuming you knew my opinion on something before I had stated it.
hey drop the you guys,that's sexist.
I ask questions then respond to your responses.
Quote: sootyj @ 17th December 2013, 11:30 PM GMTLook at DPRK the most anti religious nation in the world.
Phew, that's been a heavy catchup !
But re DPRK, if those scenes commemorating the death of Kim Jong il weren't 'religious' in all but name then I don't know what is.
I started a thread some time ago (cba to look) on the basis of who needs religion.
I think I asked if there was any religion in the world that didn't have life after death at it's core.
To me, religion is for those who can't accept that this is it. No resurrection, no life after death. This is it.
Quote: Tursiops @ 18th December 2013, 12:42 AM GMTSo why kick away a crutch?
you'd never make it as an ATOS assessor
Quote: Oldrocker @ 18th December 2013, 12:44 AM GMTPhew, that's been a heavy catchup !
But re DPRK, if those scenes commemorating the death of Kim Jong il weren't 'religious' in all but name then I don't know what is.
I started a thread some time ago (cba to look) on the basis of who needs religion.
I think I asked if there was any religion in the world that didn't have life after death at it's core.
To me, religion is for those who can't accept that this is it. No resurrection, no life after death. This is it.
Absolutely Kim Jung Il is apparently still running the country. Rather take away faith in God and people replace it with something else.
Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:43 AM GMTand getting it wrong every time.
Following arguments to their logical conclusion can be useful if not necessarily in invalidating them, but at least in identifying potential pitfalls. The road to hell and all that.
Quote: Harridan @ 18th December 2013, 12:37 AM GMTI don't see that as a necessarily religious issue, I see it as a personal freedom issue. I don't think baseball caps or polkadot dresses should be banned either.
Also didn't say that. There might be half a dozen other reasons why a woman might want to wear a burka.
Culture identification
Religious ruling, based on imposed values of modesty.
Name the other 4 and more importantly, just one why you'd wear one.