Oh.
50 Years on - Who really killed JFK Page 2
One bullet from Lee Harvey Oswald one accidently from the security FBI agent in the car behind. Saw a documentary on it couple nights ago.
Or
Saw the same documentary.
Though I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald shot a bullet because
1.) FBI tests concluded he had not fired a rifle that day
2.) The HSCA report strongly indicated the "backyard photographs" (the ones implicating him with the rifle) were faked.
3.) there is a pretty compelling photo that he was outside during the second shot...
Oswald was involved but he didn't shoot anyone - he was the fall guy and got double crossed to take the blame, he was actually meant to be shot dead during his arrest but it went wrong - that's why Jack Ruby had to do it in the police station before he could blab
It was arranged by CIA operatives and the Italian American mafia
James E. Files fired the fatal headshot
mobsters/CIA operatives Charles Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli were the other two members of the hit team that also fired shots
Sam Giancana the mafia boss helped rig an election to put him in the White House - he wanted favours in return , instead Kennedys brother vowed to destroy the mafia for good
So they killed him
They also could have ruined him as they had videos of him off his head on drugs shagging whores in Vegas hotel rooms but they decided to put a bullet in his head instead
God bless America
I, um, that's most of the conspiracies put together with bow around them.
There is factual evidence (release files into the national archives) which does put a link between the CIA and the Mafia, but to kill Castro.
There is so much in this one incident, so many different angles that it is both fascinating and perplexing.
Ocum's razor - it must be Oswald. Sherlock Home's - it was everyone else
Quote: DeathbyMonkey @ 21st November 2013, 3:49 PM GMTNo, JFK did not kill JFK.
I think the writers of Red Dwarf would disagree.
Ooops, I forgot Red Dwarf was the fountain of all knowledge.
Of course the real question is how a nut like Oswald got to defect to Russian, redefect to the USA and not get picked up by anyone in either country.
I suspect the ultimate answer is the same one to most of these questions, bad luck and incompetence.
The FBI had spent the 50s failing to stop any serious KGB spying, nor the mafia, so like most agencies they went after low hanging fruit. e.g. famous people who'd joined the communist party and were proud of it.
Hence no one was paying attention to the passable marks man with flowers in his attic.
I also think a sex mad president who expected the mafia to make his booty calls, a bully of the mafia whose dad made his fortune as a bootlegger and was notorious for being a sex maniac, not to mention f**king the FBI and seriously f**king the CIA over the bay of pigs.
Maybe the guy who no one paid much attention to assassination plots against. Also it was only after the Kennedy assassination the secret service became in any way a serious force.
Oh and the missiles in the Cuban Missile crisis were to be launched from the UK without any discussion with the UK government.
Even the queen wanted him dead.
That's a very insightful point.
But this story has so many layers there is credibility in almost all theories. It's not that the official answer is not credible, it's just there are so many questions it fails to answer.
It's not fair
Why does nobody ever shoot our prime ministers??
Cameron
Boom!
Head shot
Because guns aren't legal in this country
Quote: lofthouse @ 21st November 2013, 7:41 PM GMTIt's not fair
Why does nobody ever shoot our prime ministers??
Cameron
Boom!
Head shot
That's the sort of statement that can get you prosecuted
Quote: lofthouse @ 21st November 2013, 7:41 PM GMTIt's not fair
Why does nobody ever shoot our prime ministers??
Cameron
Boom!
Head shot
Quote: DeathbyMonkey @ 21st November 2013, 7:43 PM GMTThat's the sort of statement that can get you prosecuted
Meanwhile on Lofthouse's roof:
Quote: DeathbyMonkey @ 21st November 2013, 7:30 PM GMTThat's a very insightful point.
But this story has so many layers there is credibility in almost all theories. It's not that the official answer is not credible, it's just there are so many questions it fails to answer.
of course the question becomes who took the firearms tests.
Ok so lets say I need a patsy to take the role of an assassin.
I've got a slow moving uncovered car, driving for some period of time down a street with far too many buildings to meaningfully check.
All I need is someone to point a gun at the car and pull the trigger.
Job done, he doesn't need a fancy gun or even to be a good shot.
So why when its that easy, do I have a bizarre set up with a patsy who isnt even there or fired the gun.
It actually makes the job alot harder, than say getting an Cuban exile or a heroin hooked hitman.
Thats where it fails Occams razor, its even more complex than having someone shoot at him.
I suspect LBJ a major suspect would have cajoled JFK into driving in a well advertised, insecure route, knowing that someone would take the opportunity.
I mean security for world leaders was bizarre, famously Winston Churchill had just one fella looking out for him.
Whilst Hitler had a literal army.
Thatcher was almost killed twice.
Quote: lofthouse @ 21st November 2013, 7:04 PM GMTSam Giancana the mafia boss helped rig an election to put him in the White House - he wanted favours in return , instead Kennedys brother vowed to destroy the mafia for good
So they killed him
They also could have ruined him as they had videos of him off his head on drugs shagging whores in Vegas hotel rooms but they decided to put a bullet in his head instead
God bless America
Are you saying that instead of a press release with a few photo's they thought it would be easier to shoot him dead in full public gaze instead? Really?
That's like saying the US didn't land on the Moon but although Russia would have been in an ideal place to have revealed this they decided that after all the Americans were Ok guys so they'd keep quiet about it.