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Ban the Burka? Page 22
Was going to ask what people thought of the Tory backbenchers bringing up the subject of a burkha ban again (after that guy associated with Kenyan mall massacre escaped surveillance) but then found this lengthy thread. Then thought it creepy to read without bumping, so..
It's creepier to bump without reading
I find it a little disturbing if I'm in a supermarket and there is someone wearing a burka.
I also find it very amusing when you see pictures on the tele of traditionally dressed Muslim men outside a mosque with a pair of very Western trainers on their feet.
Quote: Oldrocker @ 6th November 2013, 8:41 PM GMTI find it a little disturbing if I'm in a supermarket and there is someone wearing my burka.
I also find it very amusing when you see pictures on the tele of traditionally dressed Muslim men outside a mosque with a pair of very Western trainers on their feet.
Laundrette theft affects a shocking percentage of transvestite muslims
Quote: sootyj @ 6th November 2013, 9:26 PM GMTLaundrette theft affects a shocking percentage of transvestite muslims
Nope. Lost me on that one.
I sweded your post, changed one word like a ninja
Quote: sootyj @ 6th November 2013, 9:31 PM GMTI sweded your post, changed one word like a ninja
Ah ! Sin it now.
Thats problem with sweding posts it only works if you just make one or two tiny changes, to switch the meaning altogether.
But then nobody notices.
Quote: sootyj @ 6th November 2013, 9:47 PM GMTThats problem with sweding posts it only works if you just make one or two tiny changes, to switch the meaning altogether.
But then nobody notices.
Maybe you should Norse it or better still Finnish it.
Quote: AJGO @ 6th November 2013, 8:00 PM GMTWas going to ask what people thought of the Tory backbenchers bringing up the subject of a burkha ban again (after that guy associated with Kenyan mall massacre escaped surveillance) but then found this lengthy thread. Then thought it creepy to read without bumping, so..
The same Tory backbenchers also wanted a national Margaret Thatcher Day. Their proposals will go nowhere, and quite right too! I think it's very unlikely we would ever ban the Burkha. I'm probably wrong here...but I think it would be an unprecedented step for a modern British government to get involved in religious attire? There's something very unBritish about the whole thing, isn't there?
Anyway, I worried when that story came out that there would be another 'ban the burkha' call - over one f**king incident, for God's sake - because I personally have a big problem with the government getting involved in what people wear. I also think the whole 'free the women' thing assumes that all muslim women are oppressed by the burkha and when they speak out for themselves and say they choose to wear it us superior westerners are telling them they're so oppressed they don't even know it. Something very patronising about the whole argument. If muslim women choose not to wear the burkha on their own terms then good for them, but us telling them what they should and shouldn't wear is a bit far.
Quote: sglen @ 6th November 2013, 10:45 PM GMTI also think the whole 'free the women' thing assumes that all muslim women are oppressed by the burkha and when they speak out for themselves and say they choose to wear it us superior westerners are telling them they're so oppressed they don't even know it. Something very patronising about the whole argument. If muslim women choose not to wear the burkha on their own terms then good for them, but us telling them what they should and shouldn't wear is a bit far.
This x 100000000.
The current security debacle says more about his "government minders" than the chap himself. Surely they considered that this might be a method of escape.
The court thing is an interesting one - I think your face should be visible if you are a juror/witness/defendant. Further to that, ban the burka calls get right up my nose.
Tomorrow is 7th November. It is the day that women in this country officially stop getting paid for the year because of the gender pay gap. Let's start with those issues before we worry too much about a piece of fabric.
Some women wear it out of choice and some wear it out of hideous social pressure.
The liberal reflex is all too often wrong.
We tell people all the time in this country to stop doing stupid things, for their own good.
Besides this made the news because it's simply one of the most hi profile cases. I think special pleading on religious grounds is anathematic to democracy.
Quote: sootyj @ 6th November 2013, 10:57 PM GMTSome women wear it out of choice and some wear it out of hideous social pressure.
So do we just ban the ones that have "I've been forced to wear this" pinned too them?
Quote: sootyj @ 6th November 2013, 10:57 PM GMTWe tell people all the time in this country to stop doing stupid things, for their own good.
We tell people to stop eating too much junk, smoking, drinking, taking drugs - because science tells us we will get ill and die.
All studies show that faith improves mental health. I fail to see how not wearing a burka is for someone's "own good".
Quote: sootyj @ 6th November 2013, 10:57 PM GMTI think special pleading on religious grounds is anathematic to democracy.
I agree, hence my comment about court rooms. If there is good reason to take it off, you should take it off! But if there is no good reason...
You know I really don't know.
But somewhere along the line, religious indoctrination of all stripes is poisonous, insidious and bloody dangerous.
And no Im not referring to physical violence, thoughthat's not rare.
I mean the steady crushing of the spirit, blunting of hope and narrowing of horizons that comes from pounding faith into unformed minds.
And a garb that removes all individuality or expression is a very powerful tool.
God I am so sick of this modern mantra that if you do something, anything, it must be your choice and must be respected
Quote: Jennie @ 6th November 2013, 11:01 PM GMTWe tell people to stop eating too much junk, smoking, drinking, taking drugs - because science tells us we will get ill and die
If I was going to be perverse I'd dig up the Dutch study on Vitamin D deffincey in Burka wearers.
I suppose any decision one makes as a cognisent adult, should be respected. And I suppose theres nothing wrong with some degree of clothing uniform in kids. I dunno like I said before the anabaptist Amish have it right.
But something extreme as going hidden, because of a poorly understood medieval religious teaching is extreme.
I personally know a few too many people who got religiously brain washed, too not feel a creeping sense of despair at the blithe acceptance of weird issolating dress, faith schools, Halal in schools for those who don't want it and all the other darker elements of religion.
Too not feel saddened that we're watching some of these changes out of a sense of embarassment