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Quote: James Williams @ February 18, 2008, 6:34 PM

If you MAKE possession of material a crime then it's a crime. If you MAKE having a thought a crime it's a crime. This is semantics. Physically holding a text that contains ideas or pictures is not in itself either an action or even the intent of an action. It's exploration of ideas. So it shouldn't be a crime. The only way we can have thoughts is through external stimuli. Your argument is guff!

Well I was merely trying to point out that its not a 'thought' crime as it involves tangible property, rightly or wrongly, deemed illegal. A thought crime would be something like a religious person dying for their beliefs instead or repenting their religion

Funny the way somebody suddenly comes on all vitriolic - then you never hear from them again. Oh well.......

Won't be the first Dave. Or the last.

Quote: MrWinky @ February 18, 2008, 5:00 PM

Firstly, I've got to say that I've seen and heard some stupid things in my time, but reading some of your responses does nothing but reinforce the idea that the world is populated by some very, very stupid people and with few exceptions.

It's one thing to "go with your feelings" but quite another to ignore facts and basic, fundamental god honest truth.

Chris Langham is guilty of CURIOSITY and nothing more. He did a stupid thing and that's the truth, but if he's going to be vilified for his stupid act then I can immediately think of at least a thousand people who deserve to go to jail for stupidity too. Having read through the crown prosecution service reports, it is pretty evident that the police and various other unscrupulous individuals tried very hard to make it about more than curiosity, even going as far as to break the law in an attempt to do that. I am far, far more worried about the state of your criminal justice system than I am about Chris Langham.

Lets dispense with the sort of ridiculous heart-wrenching and garment-tearing that some hormone obsessed females (and some less than intelligent males) have taken it upon themselves to practice here on these forums and look at the facts as they are (by the way, I should point out that if you have a problem regulating your emotions, you're probably more of a risk to a childs mental welfare than Chris Langham is).

Chris Langham looked at some pictures. Not very nice pictures we're told, but images nonetheless.
He did NOT abuse those individuals. He cannot even be blamed for encouraging them because the practise of sleeping with minors has existed long before the practise of recording the act and the TRUTH is that Chris Langham did NOT pay for the images he looked at. He in fact paid for entry to a website that sold LEGAL images of adult-aged individuals.

So a celebrity was jailed for looking at images. Why? Because the British Police don't have the abilities or the incentive to go after the people who actually committed these acts. No, instead they much prefer to go after "soft" targets, assisted by the ever over-emotional individuals involved with child protection. Child protection is a good thing, but the individuals involved with it tend to very easily lose perspective in their never ending search to justify their jobs, their funding and their obsession with creating a world in which children don't experience life, but are shielded from it.

The sad fact is that the British are recruiting completely the wrong sort of police officer in the first place. If you want bleeding heart types who are "socially aware" then what you get is idiot police officers who are little more than messengers. If you want investigators and police who will actually catch the perverts who DID commit these crimes then you have to stop with the needy socialist crap.

Get some perspective people. As regards the "female" on here (Charley? isn't that a dudes name?) who has "said her piece" and "wont be watching Chris Langham on T.V again", oh dear. What a shame. I'm sure he'll be devastated. Idiot.

He - like me - probably couldn't care less what you choose to do because - and here's the shocker - you're not important. You may FEEL you're important but you p*ssed away several minutes of your time to ensure everyone KNOWS what you're not going to do just to make a negative comment about someone you don't know, about a crime which is - fundamentally - merely human nature (curiosity is older than the telephone ya know). Society may have told you that your feelings and point of view are important but they aren't really. Take it from me.

Grow up, get some perspective and motivate your police authorities to get off their lazy backsides and actually do the job that you pay them for, not make new laws and create more criminals at the receiving end of a crime but the actual original criminals themselves. Most of all, wake up and realise that the minute you criminalised sight and vision, you cooked your goose. Oh, and Chris Langham is a funny guy, whatever he chooses to watch in his personal time and space. I - unlike you "Charley" - will continue to support him because I enjoy what he does. Good for me, bad for you.

WhoAaaaaaaaa!

You enjoy what he does :O

Look my little friend from accross the pond. My feelings & point of view are important. Even if only to me. How dare you go on about our British Police Force when your army can not even aim & fire correctly.

Secondly, should I wish to not watch someone based on the fact they have looked at child porn, that is my right.

Thirdly you say that the world is populated by some very stupid people.
I agree with that.

PS Mr Winky! (Is that not a pricks name)

Quote: MrWinky @ February 18, 2008, 5:00 PM

Firstly, I've got to say that I've seen and heard some stupid things in my time, but reading some of your responses does nothing but reinforce the idea that the world is populated by some very, very stupid people and with few exceptions.

It's one thing to "go with your feelings" but quite another to ignore facts and basic, fundamental god honest truth.

Chris Langham is guilty of CURIOSITY and nothing more. He did a stupid thing and that's the truth, but if he's going to be vilified for his stupid act then I can immediately think of at least a thousand people who deserve to go to jail for stupidity too. Having read through the crown prosecution service reports, it is pretty evident that the police and various other unscrupulous individuals tried very hard to make it about more than curiosity, even going as far as to break the law in an attempt to do that. I am far, far more worried about the state of your criminal justice system than I am about Chris Langham.

Lets dispense with the sort of ridiculous heart-wrenching and garment-tearing that some hormone obsessed females (and some less than intelligent males) have taken it upon themselves to practice here on these forums and look at the facts as they are (by the way, I should point out that if you have a problem regulating your emotions, you're probably more of a risk to a childs mental welfare than Chris Langham is).

Chris Langham looked at some pictures. Not very nice pictures we're told, but images nonetheless.
He did NOT abuse those individuals. He cannot even be blamed for encouraging them because the practise of sleeping with minors has existed long before the practise of recording the act and the TRUTH is that Chris Langham did NOT pay for the images he looked at. He in fact paid for entry to a website that sold LEGAL images of adult-aged individuals.

So a celebrity was jailed for looking at images. Why? Because the British Police don't have the abilities or the incentive to go after the people who actually committed these acts. No, instead they much prefer to go after "soft" targets, assisted by the ever over-emotional individuals involved with child protection. Child protection is a good thing, but the individuals involved with it tend to very easily lose perspective in their never ending search to justify their jobs, their funding and their obsession with creating a world in which children don't experience life, but are shielded from it.

The sad fact is that the British are recruiting completely the wrong sort of police officer in the first place. If you want bleeding heart types who are "socially aware" then what you get is idiot police officers who are little more than messengers. If you want investigators and police who will actually catch the perverts who DID commit these crimes then you have to stop with the needy socialist crap.

Get some perspective people. As regards the "female" on here (Charley? isn't that a dudes name?) who has "said her piece" and "wont be watching Chris Langham on T.V again", oh dear. What a shame. I'm sure he'll be devastated. Idiot.

He - like me - probably couldn't care less what you choose to do because - and here's the shocker - you're not important. You may FEEL you're important but you p*ssed away several minutes of your time to ensure everyone KNOWS what you're not going to do just to make a negative comment about someone you don't know, about a crime which is - fundamentally - merely human nature (curiosity is older than the telephone ya know). Society may have told you that your feelings and point of view are important but they aren't really. Take it from me.

Grow up, get some perspective and motivate your police authorities to get off their lazy backsides and actually do the job that you pay them for, not make new laws and create more criminals at the receiving end of a crime but the actual original criminals themselves. Most of all, wake up and realise that the minute you criminalised sight and vision, you cooked your goose. Oh, and Chris Langham is a funny guy, whatever he chooses to watch in his personal time and space. I - unlike you "Charley" - will continue to support him because I enjoy what he does. Good for me, bad for you.

Sorry could you elaborate on that more?

Quote: Charley @ February 18, 2008, 10:01 PM

Thirdly you say that the world is populated by some very stupid people.
I agree with that.

LOL

Quote: Charley @ February 18, 2008, 10:01 PM

WhoAaaaaaaaa!

You enjoy what he does :O

Look my little friend from accross the pond. My feelings & point of view are important. Even if only to me. How dare you go on about our British Police Force when your army can not even aim & fire correctly.

Secondly, should I wish to not watch someone based on the fact they have looked at child porn, that is my right.

Thirdly you say that the world is populated by some very stupid people.
I agree with that.

PS Mr Winky! (Is that not a pricks name)

Image

OK. Who taught Ray how to take smilies form WLM and put em on here? :P

What do you mean taught? Ok it was Ian_w

I love it, when someone feels srongly enough to retort, that they sign up for an account.

Cheeky little f**ker complaining about our Police Force. Only those of us that live here are allowed to do that, or those affected by it.
Thats like me complaining about their f**king health scheme.

He goes on about this country shielding children from life. Well if abuse is part of that life, then GOOD!!!
Maybe he was molested by 50 relatives & enjoyed it. I dunno.

[quote name="James Williams" post="102826" date="February 18, 2008, 5:18 PM
Only when people have definitely decided on a criminal action can they be locked up. This sort of censoring helps nobody. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought for Christ's sake. "Thought-crime" has been derided by intelligent commentators in the West for as long as the concept's been around for bloody compelling reasons.
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We are not talking about 'Thought Crime' nor threatening 'Freedom of Speech', we are talking about making the possession of child pornography and terrorist material a crime.

I see nothing wrong with that.

You think it's OK for people to be in possession of this stuff?

I am flabber-gasted! :O

Sort yourself out while you still have the liberty to do so! ;)

Quote: M Lewis @ February 18, 2008, 5:51 PM

What a bizarre post. Just to be clear...in your opinion, something that the courts have said is NOT illegal should be illegal and because of this view the courts are wrong and you are right ...end of.

The law can be an ass - did you not know that?

Laws are only made by humans you know who can and do make mistakes!

Quote: M Lewis @ February 18, 2008, 5:51 PM

What a bizarre post. Just to be clear...in your opinion, something that the courts have said is NOT illegal should be illegal and because of this view the courts are wrong and you are right ...end of.

The courts thought a man could legally rape his wife up untill 1991. Until another court said it was wrong. In fact courts disagree with each other all the time. They even disagree with themselves. 1966 Practice Statement anyone *tumble weed rolls by* Just me then... I'm so lonely :(

Quote: James Williams @ February 18, 2008, 5:18 PM

:O
:O
Horribly, terribly, wrong.

The fact is that jailing those people would be the thin end of the wedge. That's why it's such a troublesome subject. You can't limit people's freedoms in this manner. If someone hasn't physically done anything wrong, or made an actual plot, they shouldn't be arrested. That's the 'end of'!

Only when people have definitely decided on a criminal action can they be locked up. This sort of censoring helps nobody. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought for Christ's sake. "Thought-crime" has been derided by intelligent commentators in the West for as long as the concept's been around for bloody compelling reasons.

I think Winky was rather needlessly vitriolic there too. I wonder if we'll be seeing him again?
(I have to agree with a lot of the sentiment though. Hang me!)

I heartily endorse Mr Williams's post.

Methinks Mr winky is lonely too. Laughing out loud

Well judging by your avatar, he's not been since this millennium, so that seems quite believable.

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