Innocent until proven guilty n all that
There's something about the BBC that really really really stinks ...
It's like our licence fees have gone to an organisation that was basically a bloody paedo ring
I reckon what we know ATM is just the tip of a disgusting filthy iceberg of horror and depravity
I can't believe how many people are being implicated. It's just so astonishing to me that so many can be accused. Obviously being arrested doesn't necessarily mean they did anything, but it's depressing nonetheless.
Quote: lofthouse @ November 1 2013, 6:31 PM GMTInnocent until proven guilty n all that
There's something about the BBC that really really really stinks ...
It's like our licence fees have gone to an organisation that was basically a bloody paedo ring
I reckon what we know ATM is just the tip of a disgusting filthy iceberg of horror and depravity
And then there's the new controversy about the Children in Need money being misused.
Really???
Has Pudsey been blowing it all on hookers and drugs again
Ephebophile Seventies DJs are in much the same 'no shit Sherlock' territory as pedophile priests at Catholic orphanages; I have no illusions to shatter, so long as Whisperin' Bob is not implicated.
That is very dismal news and as you say, lofthouse, there is no proof of guilt. It is important to say that for legal purposes. Currently, it is like a dark cloud on British culture, principally that emanating from the 1970s. Sad because in broad terms culture was one of the best things in that decade. There was a reference to one person awaiting trial in "George and Mildred" just this evening and that same person features on what has been my favourite album of the 2000-2009 period - Aerial by Kate Bush.
The BBC should not be considered the main problem. It is crucial that it isn't made into a scapegoat by those who want to see its demise. Some attitudes there were very remiss. But from the news so far, there will probably be many similar revelations about classical music colleges and several other big institutions. Arguably, the sudden lurch from post Victorian ways in the 1950s to considerable liberalism in the 1960s was far more difficult for young adults to accommodate appropriately than was believed at that time. It is a social rebalancing that is occurring while they are in their 60s, 70s, 80s.
I want to add something about the man in a supermarket dressed as a Nazi. It isn't to be welcomed but holocaust survivors are a stoical, worldly bunch. I doubt that many would be overly bothered about political correctness. Most would accept that there are always crazy folk of that kind. The same is true of the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds. The story reminds me of the nudist who has been in the news again recently. In the 1990s, there were a fair few at Glastonbury and no one turned a hair. It is important to feel outrage where it is deserved. Some just look for ways to make cash.
Quote: lofthouse @ 1st November 2013, 6:45 PM GMTReally???
Has Pudsey been blowing it all on hookers and drugs again
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/515555/20131021/bbc-comic-relief-red-nose-day.htm
The BBC is facing a fresh internal crisis as it emerged that a Panorama investigation which raised serious questions about the broadcaster's flagship Children in Need fundraising drive has been cancelled and might never be broadcast.
At least 12 senior executives were reported to have refused to make the final decision on whether to axe the programme, made by independent production company Matchlight. It is thought BBC's management were terrified of being engulfed in another scandal following the much-attacked decision to axe Newsnight's investigation into allegations about DJ Jimmy Savile.
This latest programme, which was due to be aired later this month, claims that charity money raised by Comic Relief was invested in tobacco firms and an arms giant before being donated to charity up to eight years later.
The investigation also claims that the launch of a range of Gordon Ramsay cooking sauces have cost the charity up to a million pounds. Ramsay's "Seriously Good" range was launched at a cost of £2m in 2008 but axed last year. Just £470,000 had been raised and £760,000 of the original fund was left. Kevin Cahill, Brand Relief's Director, later quit.
The unscreened Panorama also alleges that staff costs making Comic Relief have doubled, from £7.1m a year in 2008 to £13.5m in 2012.
Last year Comic Relief raised £87.8m for good causes - less than in two of the three previous years. Money raised isn't released straight away; in 2012 the charity was in possession of £261m in shares, bonds and cash. In August the Sunday People discovered that £14m had been invested in the Invesco Perpetual High Income Fund, which itself invests in the BAE Systems arms giant and three major cigarette manufacturers - British American Tobacco, Reynolds American and Imperial Tobacco.
Since being established in 1985 Comic Relief has raised £900million and worked in more than 70 countries to alleviate poverty. Many celebrities have played a part in making the event a unique one in the national calendar and there is bound to be alarm at any hint of public money being invested in unethical ways - yet also concern that pulling another programme which shows the BBC in a poor light may be seen as another case of self-censorship.
Comic Relief's trustees include the Director of BBC TV, Danny Cohen, Peter Salmon and Tim Davie, who was acting director general last year when a report attacked the decision to axe the Newsnight investigation into Savile.
A BBC insider told The Mirror: "This is causing huge problems within the Corporation, opening a can of worms some would rather stayed closed. We're struggling to find other execs to take the place of those who ruled themselves out due to a conflict of interest. This is the BBC in full-on post-Savile self-flagellation mode."
Wouldn't Tony Hall be making that decision? He's been there just seven months. He is one of the best people of the options that were available. Many contenders were wrong for that post. There is a strong argument that sorting out all the past mismanagement is not best served by an independent television production. But what he must be is transparent on how bad it was so he can show how he's fixing it.
Quote: lofthouse @ 1st November 2013, 6:31 PM GMTThere's something about the BBC that really really really stinks ...
It's like our licence fees have gone to an organisation that was basically a bloody paedo ring.
I would not blame the BBC here, if anything it is the "pop music industry".
There has always been (and always will be) young girls (and young men) drawn to the "bright lights" of the pop business.
We have all heard the stories of young girls hanging around the "back doors" of clubs trying to see their pop heroes, and stories of young girls being invited into the dressing rooms of various pop and rock bands.
We get pop stars boasting of how many girls/women they have slept with, and it can run into the hundreds or thousands. And how many of those girls were under age?
Gary Glitter, Jonathan King, Jimmy Saville are probably just the tip of the iceberg.
Many of those arrested were part of that world. Easy money, easy drugs, easy sex.
And I am sure it still goes on.
While I don't condone anything that went on, you do wonder how many of those now protesting are more interested in a "big pay out".
Certainly some have already started on a campaign to sue the Jimmy Saville estate.
It is all part of the "no win no fee" culture (Been abused by someone famous, go to our web site..."
Quote: Guilbert @ 1st November 2013, 7:44 PM GMTWhile I don't condone anything that went on, you do wonder how many of those now protesting are more interested in a "big pay out".
Certainly some have already started on a campaign to sue the Jimmy Saville estate.
It is all part of the "no win no fee" culture (Been abused by someone famous, go to our web site..."
I think it's best to give anyone who comes forward our sympathy, irrespective of their motivations for coming forward now. It's so difficult for people who have been sexually abused/assaulted to tell people as it is, without anyone comparing it to money-grabbing accident claims (which has itself done damage to the plight of people who have legitimate grievances against companies who don't care about employee safety). It would be awful if people felt they shouldn't come forward because they would just be jumping on the bandwagon.
Quote: Guilbert @ 1st November 2013, 7:55 PM GMTI would not blame the BBC here, if anything it is the "pop music industry".
It's all different now, isn't it, at least between adults?
Then divorce was seen by many as very shameful as was having children "out of wedlock". They didn't really dig below that sort of notion but probably a part of it was about pain. Pornography was very much on the fringes and not available on demand. Sex in the mainstream media during the 60s/70 was often shocking.
At the same time, any actress will say that in theatre there were persistent unwelcome advances - pinches on the bum etc. They laughed it all off as being just a part of life and generally they didn't see it as having serious implications. Some of that went back further. A lot of showbiz was at the tail end of music hall.
But the same was true of working conditions for secretaries - and many of those generations think in much the same way. To them, the modern emphases are not only different but often insubstantial and wrong. I don't think they are right. But I don't think any generation so far has got it right - at least not in Britain.
Quote: Harridan @ 1st November 2013, 6:20 PM GMT
And another one goes...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24779908
Paul Gambaccini arrested in Operation Yewtree
I just saw that and thought "No! Not Paul!". Let's hope it's all a mistake...
Certain people at the BBC must have known what type of c**tbag they were employing and what they were up to
I refuse to believe that they had no knowledge - horse shit
They knew and they covered it up for decades
And these need naming and shaming just as much as the nonces
From the BBC website:
"Gambaccini was arrested under the strand of the inquiry known as "others", meaning the arrest is not connected to the investigation into Savile."
I don't now how broad ranging that category is but believe it includes Dave Lee Travis about whom all allegations of abuse are in connection with adults.
Gambo? 
Does that mean Steve Wright won't be allowed to do his impressions of him anymore?
It does seem odd news after he gave an honest assessment of Savile's exploits while at the beeb and said he knew how friend J King's type of exploits had seriously damaged people's lives. Are they sure they've got the right bloke here, as he seemed like the only one of that DJ lot you could trust not to have dabbled. 
Just waiting for them to dig up dirt on the late David Jacobs now.